mini-z vs xmods steering?

[94exa2]

what is it that makes the mini-z have better steering? other than the electronics?
servo?
tie-rod/something mechanical?

jw if i can make my evo steer as good as a mini, and how...

[2wdpancar]

Well the gears... I have no idea. The xmods are still not as precise as Kyosho w/ a Kyosho board. The kyosho mini-z's have a servo saver, which will allow more flexible steering. The evo series does not have this, while the gen1 xmods have a very shoddy servo saver (not a whole lot better than the evo)

[bondo]

Originally Posted by blt456

Well the gears... I have no idea. The xmods are still not as precise as Kyosho w/ a Kyosho board. The kyosho mini-z's have a servo saver, which will allow more flexible steering. The evo series does not have this, while the gen1 xmods have a very shoddy servo saver (not a whole lot better than the evo)

GPM tie rods act as a saver on the evo's.

the main reason that mini-z turns smoother is because of the 24 point potentiometer as opposed to the 12 point pot on the Xmods.

i'm also in the same boat.
i've modded more Xmods then most will ever see but i bought a mini-z monster from another member and i havn't looked at an Xtruck since.
i built a completely GPM Xtruck for a local freind,liths,4WD,chili and an oversized spur gear.
we compared my stock(RWD) monster to this through all sorts of terrain tests.
Xmod failed. even after i broke a rear tierod and lost a screw on the front shocks,the MZM was still truckin' through everything that got the Xmod stuck.

then again, the stock radline out performed the Xtruck too.

[XMDrifter]

the kyosho's also have a smoother steering mesh and are able to turn the tierod more.

[94exa2]

anyway to make the xmod evo comparible? or atleast better than it is stock?


does the gen1 "tight turn" trick work for evo's?

[TripleXmodder(akaXXX)]

Uhhhhh, Xmods are crap and Mini-Zs are a high quality mini RC. What makes the steering better besides electronics and servo ??? I think you answered your question. But all in all they are designed ALOT better. That's why Xmods are guiltless to chop up.

[dontspamme]

The tight turns upgrade for the Gen 1 does NOT work with any Evo series.

[2wdpancar]

XXX has the idea right- xmod = crap

[TripleXmodder(akaXXX)]

Don't get me wrong, I love my xmods... but they are crap as far as compared to a mini-z. Their sold at Radioshack, come-on.

[SkylineLvr]

I agree with XXX. I love my Xmods. They started me in the mini rc scene. I've burned up some FETs and boards and broken pieces and just got frustrated. Got new pieces (rather cheap) and moved on. I'm onto my first Mini-Z. If I ever broke anything or fried the board or FETs, I would probably cry, lol. Maybe not, but I would be a lot more upset then if I broke my Xmod.

I'm not bashing on Xmods, I love them. But the quality just doesn't compare to my Mini-Z. I've already put some scratches on my Skyline GT-R's body and am very upset. I'll probably buy a new one and just leave it in the case.

[okoye]

basically to end all mini-z vs xmods questions mini-z will win against a stock or modded xmod that have xmods elecs in it

[bosco72]

This forums funny... I had a thread asking why the mini z was so much money and it was locked.But all you guys can talk bad about the xmods and nobody says nothing about it.Plus there is a guy who races his xmod evo with the MA-010 and comes in the top 3 every time.But he has different electronics.

For your Q. the mini z is going to be better because it costs 100.00 dollars more.But for that 100 dollars more you get precision parts a true AM REC/ESC and it has better QC. But the MA-010 has alot of problems that they should not have for the price you pay. I bet if another company took the evos chassis and made precision parts and the QC was better it will kick the MA-010 a$$.All the evo needs is delrin gears and a real servo saver and it would be much smoother.

[XMDrifter]

no, the evo need a complete redesign on the servo, need a hobby class radio system (like a mini-z) and need as many points on the steering/throttle as a mini-z to be competitive. it also needs to have a more precise suspension and smoother awd drivetrain system. the mounting position is acceptable, though it would be more beneficial to place it lower in the chassis and not use a transfer gear (use different pinions and an adjustable motor mount plate to mount it because the current design is bulky and limits motor selection. the current motor cradle design has many weak spots, so using a tapped motor can instead of screwing into plastic would be more secure and be lighter. the plus is a sealed drivetrain though.

but as they are now, xmods are crap compared to mini-zs unless extensive handling enhancement is done (lots of trial and error tuning, trying different tire compounds, mini-z/iwaver board, using a lightweight and aerodynamic body that is under 30 grams because the stock xmod bodies are heavy, different offset combinations, etc.)
even then xmods have a hard time beating the mini-z

[torredo]

too funny...
i had a similar thread awhile back and as soon as i said XMODS were crap, i was trashed on. People said not to bash XMods and even stated if i were to do this, to get off XMS perse.

lmfao!

[bosco72]

all i have to say is the evo is only 49.99 and it keeps up with a 150.00 MA-010.

[Donziikid]

Originally Posted by bosco72

all i have to say is the evo is only 49.99 and it keeps up with a 150.00 MA-010.

Where? When? How? I'd like to see this with legitimate proof.

Even the top drivers in the world which compete in HFAY don't use Xmods. They know the Kyosho MiniZs are there to perform and are capable of performing flawlessly straight out of the box. I am not saying an Xmod cannot compete without extensive amounts of modification, but at that point, you've already spend enough to purchase a MiniZ.

Take a look at the latest HFAY standings; the highest I've ever seen an Xmod was ranked #36 in the Time Trial Track #1. He ran a time of 5:56.64 with a stock Xmods Camaro (so it was a Gen1, not EVO). The fastest time with a stock MR02 was 4:12.33 with a McLaren LM.

Xmods do not even complete, or at least place, in the HFAY Series Points Standings.

Yeah, it can be done. But people just do not do it.

[bosco72]

Kyosho will not let any other brand race.Even if the evo was built better they will not let them race.But here is proof that a evo can keep up with the MA-010. Go to minizracer and look up jace1283 and ask for his race vids with the MA-010.Watch it and tell us which one is which.

Originally Posted by Donziikid

Where? When? How? I'd like to see this with legitimate proof.

Even the top drivers in the world which compete in HFAY don't use Xmods. They know the Kyosho MiniZs are there to perform and are capable of performing flawlessly straight out of the box. I am not saying an Xmod cannot compete without extensive amounts of modification, but at that point, you've already spend enough to purchase a MiniZ.

Take a look at the latest HFAY standings; the highest I've ever seen an Xmod was ranked #36 in the Time Trial Track #1. He ran a time of 5:56.64 with a stock Xmods Camaro (so it was a Gen1, not EVO). The fastest time with a stock MR02 was 4:12.33 with a McLaren LM.

Xmods do not even complete, or at least place, in the HFAY Series Points Standings.

Yeah, it can be done. But people just do not do it.

[c1v1c]

Originally Posted by 94exa2

what is it that makes the mini-z have better steering? other than the electronics?
servo?
tie-rod/something mechanical?

jw if i can make my evo steer as good as a mini, and how...

http://xmodsforum.co.uk/showthread.p...ighlight=homer

That's what Homer from XMF did to his trackcar about the steering issue, but imo, i'd be more worried about the motor position from an EVO than it's steering..

[acerpower]

i like the xmod but, in most cases it doesn't stand a chance against a properly tuned ma010. jace on xmf had some luck against the z on one particular track
but, the ma010s caught up soon enough and now he's using his ma010 more.
the track he did well on had allot of straits and is not very technical.

on other tracks the xmod doesn't stand much of a chance.
since i got my ma010, we will no longer be running the xmods with the ma010, and the xmods will have there own class at our club.
i think you can build a fast xmod for allot cheaper than jace spent on his.
the last time we raced we were pretty close and finished on the same lap.
i might have beat him if my microT pcb that i'm using didn't have reverse delay, and mine is no where near as upgraded as his.
but the bottom line is even a heavily modded xmod doesn't stand much of a chance against the Z. of course, sometimes anybody can get lucky.

[XMDrifter]

a stock xmod will NOT keep up with a mini-z
any mini-z for that matter.
and chassis replacing is, what? 13 bucks, 15 bucks?
and to replace a full xmod chassis, you'll need to spend quite a bit more.
xmods are great if you're not racing competitively, but when it comes to racing competitively, xmods are really going to have a hard time.

now, if Iwaver chose to clone xmods but use their own electronics, that xmod knockoff would be better than a genuine xmod because even iwaver electronics are far superior in terms of their level of control.

sure, xmods can pass most of the voltage from their batts through to the motor while mini-z's are limited, but xmods just have such bad control/reception/lag that the motor advantage can't make up for it no matter what.

only if the other has absolutely no skill whatsoever will you be able to beat him

and saying that your tamiya frog kept up with rc 10's is like saying your iwaver kept up with a mini-z. they aren't much different.