EVO vs Gen 1

[RedSXmodder]

Alright there are a ton of questions debating on whether the EVO is better than the Gen 1, or the Gen 1 is better than the EVO. I'm going to point things out in my point of view..

First off, EVO's are great, but the servo is small and has little torque, the wheels are sloppy and slacky (word?) and installing liths is more difficult than the Gen1. Good things? The comes faster out of the box, but that isn't really saying very much. EVO's have alot of options involving upgrades out there, and since the gen 1 is discontinued, EVO's are easier to find.

Gen 1's have some minorly difficult parts to install, and its alot harder to find along with the upgrades. However, the simplicity of the chassis design makes it easier to do custom chassis's, it also allows for easies cutting grinding and hacking for modification. There is less play in the wheels, and the lith upgrade is fairly easy to install.

These are my opinions, so I don't want some noob who doesn't own a gen1 to start saying that EVO's are soooooo much better than gen1's. Other opinions are welcome.

Later,
RedSXmodder

[musclecars4life]

hey was up RED? lol

EVO'S ARE BETTER!!!!

and to other people: before you go spouting off at what i just said read my whole post...

My list of Pro's and Con's

EVO's:
faster oob (out of box)
more upgrades available
better chassis design (easier to acess ep for electrical work)
fits GEN1 bodies (GREAT plus!)

CONs:
pain to fix. the electrical stuff burns up too fast
so many upgrades and parts to choose from that i cant decide what to do!

GEN1's:
AWESOME BODIES!
elecs dont burn up as easy.

CONs:
Harder to take apart/put together (so many small peices)
harder to get upgrades/ not as many.


as you can see i AM educated. i have valad arguements and im sure some people will se it my way and others will see it Reds way. it an opiniion dont get mad.

thanks,
MC4L

[RedSXmodder]

What up with you?!?!?

Anyway, of the two my vote goes to the Gen1!!!

Later,
RedSXmodder

[DRFTKO]

this thread would be complete with a poll. I prefer to work on the gen.1 because it is easier to get to certain parts. However I like the evo's because they are a little quicker and you dont have to worry about damaging wires and worring about electrical connections (around the battery trays) coming undone.

[REDisFASTER]

EVO pros:
- OOB performance
- they made the G body for the EVO
- laydown batteries for lower CG
- electronics are easy to work with and layout is clean

EVO cons:
- durability sucks (specifically at the knuckles)
- RS cheaped out on us at the end with low quality electronics
- they didn't make EVO-sized drift kits. The Gen1 drift kits are to small
- hard to wrench on

Gen1 pros:
- Skyline, NSX and Supra bodies (Nissan, Honda, and Toyota's legendary cars)
- very easy to wrench on
- extremely durable compared to the EVOs
- conversion kits for hobby-grade electronics are offered

Gen1 cons:
- body fit+finish sucks
- range = poo
- OOB performance also poo
- they missed Mazda's legendary RX-7 in the above list...
- can't put EVO bodies on it
- rear suspension has varying degrees of camber
- front suspension has barely and travel unless you modify the body clip.

This is WAY too hard for me to vote. They both have their good and bad points. They're perfectly squared. But as of now, I have to go with the EVO. I don't mind the inconvenience on working with the chassis (installing 4WD is a pita) but if you're into performance, you can't go wrong.

[streetballerzz3]

Originally Posted by musclecars4life

as you can see i AM educated. i have valad arguements and im sure some people will se it my way and others will see it Reds way. it an opiniion dont get mad.

thanks,
MC4L

yo educated one, u spelled valid and arguments wrong and also its supposed to be "its an opinion don't get mad" not "it an opinion"
sorry i'm jus messin with ya
don't take offense to it

imo i agree with redSXmodder. gen1s are easier to mod. when it comes to chassis and other things and thats what i go for... so gen1 for me.

can we get a poll too lol

[sweetvette]

gen 1 all the way 4 me, except for the fact that the electronics are a pain in the ( )( ) butt to work on, EVOs take the cake in that category

[DRFTKO]

Originally Posted by streetballerzz3

yo educated one, u spelled valid and arguments wrong and also its supposed to be "its an opinion don't get mad" not "it an opinion"
sorry i'm jus messin with ya
don't take offense to it

imo i agree with redSXmodder. gen1s are easier to mod. when it comes to chassis and other things and thats what i go for... so gen1 for me.

can we get a poll too lol

dude, you dont have any room to talk about grammar and so forth; not when you use gangsta/ghetto slang all the time to talk. Sorry to get off topic, but im sick of hearing that slang, it is getting old and not cool anymore. Had to get that off my chest, sorry.

[REDisFASTER]

Originally Posted by DRFTKO

dude, you dont have any room to talk about grammar and so forth; not when you use gangsta/ghetto slang all the time to talk. Sorry to get off topic, but im sick of hearing that slang, it is getting old and not cool anymore. Had to get that off my chest, sorry.

Thank you so much for bringing it up... Its not SMS-talk or MSN talk. Leave them for for what they were intended for. This is a public forum so please speak with decency and correct grammar..

Back to topic please.

[Azngtboi88]

I enjoy the 1st gens. I like how the chassis looks like a hobby grade r/c car not just a flat grayish plastic thing lol. I dunno, i just prefer the first gens more. Im not really looking at how fast they come out of the box since i upgraded motors anyways so that isnt relevant. My Vote Gen 1!!

[THE EDJ]

i am going to have to side on the gen1 side of things for a few reasons.

the first is that the gen1's are much more simple. there are fewer parts and a more simple design which makes them much easier to work with and there are less things to go wrong.

MC4L made the point that there are more upgrades for the evo's than the gen1's which makes sense because there are MORE parts in an evo than a gen1. more parts in my opinion is a bigger pain in the arse for reasons i have already stated. so who really cares if there are more upgrades if i can make a gen1 go just as fast and handle better and more predictably (less wheel slop and more precision).

the only evo i own is a titan, and its a pain, its fun to drive and it looks good, but doing any mods to the performance side of things doesnt really seem all that beneficial to me just because there are so many parts to it and in order to get it anywhere close to the performance and precision you can get out of a gen1, you would have to spend a LOT of money.

sure parts for the gen1 may be easier to find, but if you are looking for big performance, its the better platform to choose.

[Sweed]

I'll add more later, it's bedtime.. Gotta get up at 5.00am.... Just went online to check my myspace.....

I'll elaborate tomarow, if I feel like it, or remember... Just dug up this little quickie...

Originally Posted by Sweed

Sir, you are incorrect... The Gen1's are infact better.

You see, if you fully gpm a Evo, and remove all the slack and play in the suspension, then it is better. But you can't. The Gen1 has very little play, and it's just the stock bushings. Bearings and wheel shims and you are problem free.

The Evo suspension works better in theory and on paper, but it's the same with communism, but how did Russia* turn out?

The AWD is a necessity for drifting and such, but I don't own a Evo (they are crap...), just Gen1's (I'm an old skool xmoder, see swedishracer).

Did you get it yet? The AWD for the gen1 is very durable. Never stripped a gear, not even jumping off my roof with li-ion power....

*Not meant to insult and Russians, Slaviks, or Eastern Europeans. Pun intended. More of a thing were us Europeans all "hate" each other and make jokes about each other. Ex. Finnish people are drunks, but hey, since it's so cold up here, why not just get drunk and...

[REDisFASTER]

The Evo suspension works better in theory and on paper, but it's the same with communism, but how did Russia* turn out?

If the suspension is so 'bad', why is it that the Mini-Z suspension setups are like that? And that's not something to say to Kyosho, because they do their homework. They've designed consecutive world championship winning chassis' and are among the best in fit+finish, as well as performance.

You do NOT need a full GPM evo just to remove the play in the wheels. Suspension arms and knuckles are enough that you have virtually zero endplay.

Jumping off a roof with a li-ion xmod doesn't mean s#!t with gears unless the driver is a moron. You can jump off a roof and land on all fours and still be able to drive away. You WILL strip gears if you jump off the roof and land on all fours while you're still on the throttle... Let off the throttle just before you land and your gears will be fine *see 1:10 and 1:8 offroad racing*

[rolcol]

gen 1 for me there easier to work on .the only thing i love of the evo is the oob performance. there is just to many parts to change in the evo if you wish to gpm them thous upgrades are not cheap.the liths are easier to install.gen 1 all the way for me. its a shame the parts are getting some what hard to find.

[streetballerzz3]

Originally Posted by DRFTKO

dude, you dont have any room to talk about grammar and so forth; not when you use gangsta/ghetto slang all the time to talk. Sorry to get off topic, but im sick of hearing that slang, it is getting old and not cool anymore. Had to get that off my chest, sorry.

ok if it bothers that many people i will stop using any form of slang and stick to good ol' english . sometimes you just got to say what you got to say DRFTKO

[DRFTKO]

Originally Posted by streetballerzz3

ok if it bothers that many people i will stop using any form of slang and stick to good ol' english . sometimes you just got to say what you got to say DRFTKO

sorry to put you on the spot like that, but I am tried of hearing the ghetto slang b.s., it doesnt bother me as bad on hear as it does in person, but I hate coming home and seeing this on the net. Once again, sorry to put you on the spot like that.

[streetballerzz3]

Originally Posted by DRFTKO

sorry to put you on the spot like that, but I am tried of hearing the ghetto slang b.s., it doesnt bother me as bad on hear as it does in person, but I hate coming home and seeing this on the net. Once again, sorry to put you on the spot like that.

no problem, i understood you weren't acting towards me but in general. Don't worry about it I'll refrain from the slang as much as i can and so should anybody else who uses it.

BACK ON TOPIC! i dont want anybody else to express their feelings of this topic on this thread. stick to the orinigal topic

[janikphoto]

I like the evo's, but there are a few details about the the gen 1 that look good. I think the gen 1 looks almost bulletproof, which the evo is not... However, the evo is much more like a real car, which makes it nice for us people who are trying to build scale vehicles...

[Iche-1]

Originally Posted by musclecars4life

hey was up RED? lol

EVO'S ARE BETTER!!!!

and to other people: before you go spouting off at what i just said read my whole post...

My list of Pro's and Con's

EVO's:
faster oob (out of box)
more upgrades available
better chassis design (easier to acess ep for electrical work)
fits GEN1 bodies (GREAT plus!)

CONs:
pain to fix. the electrical stuff burns up too fast
so many upgrades and parts to choose from that i cant decide what to do!

GEN1's:
AWESOME BODIES!
elecs dont burn up as easy.

CONs:
Harder to take apart/put together (so many small peices)
harder to get upgrades/ not as many.


as you can see i AM educated. i have valad arguements and im sure some people will se it my way and others will see it Reds way. it an opiniion dont get mad.

thanks,
MC4L

lol @ educated with alot of spelling mistakes! hahahahahah

seriously......i thought the stock electronics on the evo were better? i just got into xmods this past xmas and wouldnt mind picking up a gen 1.

[DRFTKO]

Originally Posted by Iche-1

lol @ educated with alot of spelling mistakes! hahahahahah

seriously......i thought the stock electronics on the evo were better? i just got into xmods this past xmas and wouldnt mind picking up a gen 1.

I agree, I thought the electronics on the evo were far superior to those of the gen.1, I have heard that for a long time now, and now folks are saying that they are not worth a ****, what is the deal here?