[zippo855]

Originally Posted by Kaze

Agreed, the current leader in the April COTM, his entry is the end result of this type of competition over on the other forum(s).

Now... as for the classes...


I agree with most of this, though for Stock Class, should the body have to be modded? Some people keep stock shells really clean and shiny, or slightly polished, you know what I mean?
the point of the buildoff is to show what skills you posess for with a certain budget. stock cars can look nice, but nothing really custom about a stock body, and would you want to have a comp of who has the cleanest stock car?
Below are some positive points as well as questions that I wouldn't mind being answered.

Stock Class:
-This does give people like Aznkevin, myself and others who use putty to mod bodies without having to mod the chassis.
-Would changing the stock rims count as a mod?
as long as they are an rs offered rim, no. its not a mod.
Modified Class:
-Basically for people who want to/like to mount Model Bodies.
-Would modding a stock Xmod Shell, then Adding Components from a model kit to the shell count for this class, or does that go under "Stock Class"?
this would be stock class, modified class is just that, a non xmod body modified to fit an xmod
-Due to the Stock Chassis limit, this means all you're allowed to do is extend the chassis? (Example: I buy a model kit, and decide to install stock Xmods components into the model kit's chassis etc. is this turned towards "Advanced Class"?)
this would be more advanced class. stock chassis limits basically mean, stock chassis, modified to fit length, no non rs chassis upgrades. painting a chassis and adding the model interior to the chassis is fine as this is part of the kit
-Though not model kit, would mounting Mini-Z, iWaver, other R/C brand shells count?
if you want to put a mini z etc. body on it and compete against a model body, then please do so for the cotm. not trying to take anything away from doing this, but this is a fairly simple conversion. all you have to do is add a rear mount.
Advanced Class:
-Self Explanatory, Price limit prohibits full GPM chassis.
-RS Upgrades don't count to price limit, this is handy.
-"Can't be a stock body without modifications" does this mean it can't be a stock shell period, or it can be a stock shell with chassis mods? (if No, see "suggestion" below)
if your going to put a stock shell into the advanced class, it better be a pretty nice body, it has to have some sort of modifying done to it, from paint to putty, to whatever.
For All Classes:
-Does price limit count towards objects that were purchased prior to thinking about the project, however, just so happens to be useful?
anything other than rs upgrades are counted. however if you have bought a large sheet of styrene in the past it doesnt have to all count toward it.
-Do trades count towards the price limit? if so does the price of the object traded for count against the person? (Example: I trade a hood for mirrors, so does the price of the hood count against me)
if its a stock peice, soemthing offered by rs, it does not count
Suggestion:
Could I propose an Intermediate Class, in which the price limit is still $40 just as Modified Class, however, Intermediate is more of a technical skill class, where Electronic Mods, as well as Mechanical (Chassis/Drivetrain) mods are allowed. Body Mods are accepted but not necessary (Stock Shells allowed)

Example Mods would be:
Nelly/Spider Install (though the price tag might kill the limit)
18Gage Wire upgrades
Power Switch By-Pass
DIY Lith-ion/poly Installs
Tight-Turns Install (Gen 1)
Drive shaft removal (Gen 1)
Cantilever Suspension Removal (Gen 1: where you replace the rear suspension with the front suspension)
etc. etc...
your going to wrap a bunch of money into doing those mods, good luck getting it under 40 bucks, considering the middle class has to use a model body which runs between 10-20 then paint, another 4-10.
It doesn't have to be like this 100%, but I'm sure you understand what I'm suggesting.

*Phew, that took longer than I though, sorry if any of these were answered while I was typing it*

Originally Posted by Skv012a

Since we're on topic now, I don't like $ limit idea. If A can buy styrene for 1$ a sheet while B can buy it for 3$, then how would this make sense?
that's life, the price limit is to level the field.
RS upgrades aren't part of the cost? Why not? If car can't have too much aftermarket, then it'll just be a visual project and I don't see why one would even need any upgrades.
the reason rs parts arent included in the price limit because everyone has easy access to these, and you can throw every rs upgrade on a car and hey guess what, its still just an rs xmod. throw some alloy, or something else, and hey its custom, something not offered by rs.
as for you comment on just visual. exactly, this is making it to where all cars are basically judged alike. stock class is going to be hudged on how well you can modify and paint a stock body. modified class, same as stock just with a model body. advanced, if you want to modify you chassis, here you go.

I'll suggest simple % of the chassis and body modifications besides paint per tier, if you even want to do several tiers each month. You guys (staff) will just drive yourselves nuts with this.
1 buildoff a month,
Do something like:
Stock class = 30% modification required, no non-Xm bodies or parts.
Mod class = 50+% modification required and must use external parts and bodies of any sort.

This way stock could equal a simple body kit mod of a Xm body or a wide kit + deco, and mod class will be something much more involved.
1 buildoff a month, your way too much into % this %that, the point of this comp is to make it to where the comp is judged the same way.
How about paint is a must?

thats pretty self explanitory on paint being a must. for someone that wanted to make the cotm stricter, you sure are not like guidlines being set on builds for this comp.

Originally Posted by imnotmikal

I think at least the highest class shouldn't have a price limit.
I've had a BIG project I've been working on for a while, with well over $80 spent on it.
That rules screws me over, and the "3 Week Build" part.

we had a build here once, muscle car if i remember right, well how many of those completed the builds? without a set time limit, it wont work. tell someone they have 3 weeks to build something, they will work on it a little harder than just being told, hey finish whenever. and projects like yours, that take long time and have lots of money wrapped up seem to be better suited for the cotm comp.

Originally Posted by SkysTheLimit

The point of the price limit and time limit especially of the experts competition is to press your creativity and to make good use of what you have. If there were no price limit, it wouldn't be so fair as some people would just pour GPM and electronic turbos into their cars for the chassis whereas people with more experience will create custom chassis with equal "bling" appeal but won't get the credit when compared with GPM.

No surprises I'm all in for doing this comp, just did my first one and it was great. Time is a bit stressful but just make sure you plan everything out and know you'll have enough time before you enter one.

Let's have some fun!

thanks man, and that comp ends tomorrow night, glad you liked being in it, and cant wait to see the final pics for each car.

Originally Posted by TheB1GDude

Zippo - I've seen how well this works on XMF and I think its a great idea to move it over to here... I'd like you to work with donziikid on regulating it so that it works smoothly... the problem with introducing new things on XMS is that some of our members tend to over analyze things and this really isn't a complex competition, the price limit is put on so that people use their own skills to build something unique.... I think this ties in nicely with merc3des thread about people only voting on the eye candy rides.... with a stock class $20 competition there isn't going to be all that much eye candy... just a shell and some paint but with $80 you can go way more extreme and make a one off CF chassis like he did....

See what the two of you can come up with and hopefully it will be something everyone can agree to bring some new and exciting fun to the site....

Cheers!

i noticed, i have seen it in the past, but the last 20 minutes typing out replies really pointed it out. lol. the comp is pretty self explanitory, i though anyway.



well theres all the replies up to when i quoted everything, and as much interest as you guys are showing at this point, i have only got 1 pm as to people wanting to be in it......