texan_idiot25
06-21-2007, 06:03 AM
I thought about leaving this thread open....but seeing that nobody has yet to bring up a relevant argument, or any concrete evidence to back it up (stupid youtube videos don't count).And Ill do just that, fact based, backed up arguements for the fun of it.
The new tundra is Toyota's 1st attempt at a real truck. They attempt to advertise it tough, they try to build it "In the heart of texas" in San Antonio (which no texan really cares about, for many reasons its bad truck). Though for some, its ok. For real guys who use their trucks for what you use a truck for, theres issues.
Id love to tell you guys to go, and actually play with a tundra. You get in it, and it feels like an early 90s Cavalier, the interior is cheap, especially when Toyota has been known for their cars interiors. And its an annoying huge silver piece, I dunno how you would drive with that thing, I just found it distracting.
Now lets get to the nuts and bots of it, or to the point of the BED's mounting bolts. I dunno about you guys, but ever try loading large things into the bed of a truck? You know how important it is to have things slide in rather easy. Thats why you have those rails on the bed floor. What does toyota do? Well, the mounting bolts for the bed stick above those loading rails. Next time you load boxes and such, or the good ol home applience, have fun hitting those. even every day things would get caught. Its a small detail, but its a big one. Not in the some-odd 50 years that American trucks became a real consumer vehicle (even up to the 60s, trucks were just considered work vehicles. Its post-war that you really started to see dedicated truck parts, not just a model T with a new bed).
What another thing we love to do with trucks? Pull boats!!! Serisously, if you live near lakes and such, you know the joys of pulling boats out of the water. Again, the tundra falls short:
The Toyota uses a helical gear limited slip differential that operates in a similar fashion, transferring some torque, but the traction control cuts too much torque from the engine, causing it to roll backwards down the hill and occasionally stalling. If you are very, very careful with the throttle, you may be able to get it to climb the hill. Bottom line: if you ever plan to tow a boat up a slippery boat ramp, avoid the Tundra,.http://www.au.autoblog.com/2007/06/08/gm-silverado-sierra-pickups-challenge-the-competition/
Theres lots of toyota pwnage in that article, and heres a few quotes:
On the wet basalt tiles of the skid-traction pad, the Silverado faced off against the Tundra and here the Tundra showed another major lapse by Toyota...On the Tundra, switching to four-wheel drive disables everything except ABS, so if you have four-wheel drive engaged and the truck starts to slide or spin, the driver is on his or her own. Even in two-wheel drive, the slip control system is one of the noisiest and intrusive I've experienced on any vehicle in many years...On the Toyota, if the steering wheel jerking in your hands and the grinding sound of the brake control unit wasn't enough to tell you the system is active, there is also an irritating beeping the whole time.Yet another glaring lapse on the Tundra is the bolt heads in the bed that extend just above the load rails, and anyone out there that has loaded the back of a pickup up truck nows the importance of that little detail.Now, that all isnt too bad if your just another guy, getting the brawny lookin truck to impress the nieghbors... So you just want a reliable truck right? One of the main things Toyota needed was for their new V8 to be RELIABLE. But it seems cam shafts had the tendancy to fail in their new V8. I have never heard of an american truck having a mistake as a cam shaft failing on a new truck. Their are still 50 year old trucks running the original engines.
http://www.autoblog.com/2007/05/31/tundra-camshaft-woes-could-lead-to-recall-for-toyota/
http://www.autoblog.com/2007/05/29/aw-snap-no-really-20-tundra-camshafts-have-snapped/
Yeh, Id hate to have to get another motor for my brand new truck too.
That, and toyota has been having to slap some seriouse incentive on it already, something they said early on, that they wouldnt need to do.
And we all can debate toyota's odd use of 3 different frame techiques, I find it a silly idea.
Plus with the loads of flaw in their commercials that lead to either:
A) Lots of ppl see that most the stunts are rigged for the toyota
B) Really hate that narrator's voice
C) Dont give a ****
D) Know that about ever single american auto make offers a truck that trumps the toyota.
E) Are the few toyota fan boys that actually go out and buy one..
Toyota can only really target the Silverado 1500 for the time being, but by the end of the year, it too gets the 400hp V8 and 6 speed auto thats been in the new Escalades for about a year now.
Ill give Toyota credit on this attempt, they try hard. Ive seen them park their trucks on one side of a music stage, when Chevy has some trucks on the other (local chevy dealers sponsor alot here). But this is what you typically see: 2 guys dressed for the golf course, who stand out and bring ppl to talk, then follow them intently as they veiw the truck, and shove them lots of brochures as they leave... Chevy just parks them, opens the hood on one truck (usually an 2500 HD with the 'workmans' dash) and a Tahoe on the other side, and let ppl just check them out. They let the product do the talking, not the sales man. Then the chevy guys will park the tahoe and sometime the other trucks so that the end faces the stage and tail gate. its fun.
So any ways, since no one could really back their arguments in the last thread, and thats why it was locked, I offer my arguments here. :lol:
The new tundra is Toyota's 1st attempt at a real truck. They attempt to advertise it tough, they try to build it "In the heart of texas" in San Antonio (which no texan really cares about, for many reasons its bad truck). Though for some, its ok. For real guys who use their trucks for what you use a truck for, theres issues.
Id love to tell you guys to go, and actually play with a tundra. You get in it, and it feels like an early 90s Cavalier, the interior is cheap, especially when Toyota has been known for their cars interiors. And its an annoying huge silver piece, I dunno how you would drive with that thing, I just found it distracting.
Now lets get to the nuts and bots of it, or to the point of the BED's mounting bolts. I dunno about you guys, but ever try loading large things into the bed of a truck? You know how important it is to have things slide in rather easy. Thats why you have those rails on the bed floor. What does toyota do? Well, the mounting bolts for the bed stick above those loading rails. Next time you load boxes and such, or the good ol home applience, have fun hitting those. even every day things would get caught. Its a small detail, but its a big one. Not in the some-odd 50 years that American trucks became a real consumer vehicle (even up to the 60s, trucks were just considered work vehicles. Its post-war that you really started to see dedicated truck parts, not just a model T with a new bed).
What another thing we love to do with trucks? Pull boats!!! Serisously, if you live near lakes and such, you know the joys of pulling boats out of the water. Again, the tundra falls short:
The Toyota uses a helical gear limited slip differential that operates in a similar fashion, transferring some torque, but the traction control cuts too much torque from the engine, causing it to roll backwards down the hill and occasionally stalling. If you are very, very careful with the throttle, you may be able to get it to climb the hill. Bottom line: if you ever plan to tow a boat up a slippery boat ramp, avoid the Tundra,.http://www.au.autoblog.com/2007/06/08/gm-silverado-sierra-pickups-challenge-the-competition/
Theres lots of toyota pwnage in that article, and heres a few quotes:
On the wet basalt tiles of the skid-traction pad, the Silverado faced off against the Tundra and here the Tundra showed another major lapse by Toyota...On the Tundra, switching to four-wheel drive disables everything except ABS, so if you have four-wheel drive engaged and the truck starts to slide or spin, the driver is on his or her own. Even in two-wheel drive, the slip control system is one of the noisiest and intrusive I've experienced on any vehicle in many years...On the Toyota, if the steering wheel jerking in your hands and the grinding sound of the brake control unit wasn't enough to tell you the system is active, there is also an irritating beeping the whole time.Yet another glaring lapse on the Tundra is the bolt heads in the bed that extend just above the load rails, and anyone out there that has loaded the back of a pickup up truck nows the importance of that little detail.Now, that all isnt too bad if your just another guy, getting the brawny lookin truck to impress the nieghbors... So you just want a reliable truck right? One of the main things Toyota needed was for their new V8 to be RELIABLE. But it seems cam shafts had the tendancy to fail in their new V8. I have never heard of an american truck having a mistake as a cam shaft failing on a new truck. Their are still 50 year old trucks running the original engines.
http://www.autoblog.com/2007/05/31/tundra-camshaft-woes-could-lead-to-recall-for-toyota/
http://www.autoblog.com/2007/05/29/aw-snap-no-really-20-tundra-camshafts-have-snapped/
Yeh, Id hate to have to get another motor for my brand new truck too.
That, and toyota has been having to slap some seriouse incentive on it already, something they said early on, that they wouldnt need to do.
And we all can debate toyota's odd use of 3 different frame techiques, I find it a silly idea.
Plus with the loads of flaw in their commercials that lead to either:
A) Lots of ppl see that most the stunts are rigged for the toyota
B) Really hate that narrator's voice
C) Dont give a ****
D) Know that about ever single american auto make offers a truck that trumps the toyota.
E) Are the few toyota fan boys that actually go out and buy one..
Toyota can only really target the Silverado 1500 for the time being, but by the end of the year, it too gets the 400hp V8 and 6 speed auto thats been in the new Escalades for about a year now.
Ill give Toyota credit on this attempt, they try hard. Ive seen them park their trucks on one side of a music stage, when Chevy has some trucks on the other (local chevy dealers sponsor alot here). But this is what you typically see: 2 guys dressed for the golf course, who stand out and bring ppl to talk, then follow them intently as they veiw the truck, and shove them lots of brochures as they leave... Chevy just parks them, opens the hood on one truck (usually an 2500 HD with the 'workmans' dash) and a Tahoe on the other side, and let ppl just check them out. They let the product do the talking, not the sales man. Then the chevy guys will park the tahoe and sometime the other trucks so that the end faces the stage and tail gate. its fun.
So any ways, since no one could really back their arguments in the last thread, and thats why it was locked, I offer my arguments here. :lol: