January 10'-11' Build Off: 1990 Miata [Archive]

texan_idiot25

09-02-2010, 11:28 PM

Blah blah blah, sold the CRX for healthy price, bought me some RWD goodness. *** jokes aside, cosmetically it's in fantastic shape, and only has a few mechanical issues.

On the immediate to-do list:
-Brake rotors
-Tune up stuff, check timing belt
-check crank nose (google Miata short nose crank), car doesn't show any real symptoms yet, but it would be good to get a head start on it
-shocks
-radio
-a/c charge

Beyond that, it's just replacing the CRX as a fun to drive, but fuel efficient DD. The CRX just wasn't going to be reliable enough, or easy enough to find parts for in a hurry, as I found out.

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The car is a hoot to drive, much more capable than the CRX. Unfortunatly, with bad shocks it's absolutly terrifying to take a corner at high speeds! :lol: Just wants to get loose over bumps. So for now it's a matter of basic maintenance before any real changes.

surgeon

09-02-2010, 11:38 PM

The most I'd do is repaint the rear panel (between the headlights) black, and find some wheels that are black. As judging by the Chevy, I like black wheels. :lol:

http://i619.photobucket.com/albums/tt273/greenpathphil/Miata003.jpg

I'll just get a custom license plate to end any confusion:

[STR8 MAN]

I am carrying this over from the other thread, fits better here.

If you are doing that panel black, do the trunk and hood aswell. I like blacked out between headlights on a lot of cars, but the bodylines of the miata don't match the lines of the headlights, so it kinda has that junkyard pieced together vibe.

That license....would be awesome.

Still not as cool as this miata.

http://a.imageshack.us/img687/6555/dsc0098to.jpg

texan_idiot25

09-02-2010, 11:41 PM

surgeon

09-02-2010, 11:43 PM

I don't like the faux carbon fiber wannabe look of black trunks and hoods. Accents are one thing, looking like **** on purpose with late model cars IMO is just stupid. Like Hellaflushtards with rusted hoods.

Rat-Miata is one of a kind!

To me it's a two tone that uses bodylines, I like it in other colors aswell, but I can see the misinterpretation of faux carbon fiber.

I am actually thinking about imitating that rat miata. It sure beats using an
s10 chassis, and people have been cramming all sorts of motors in those cars while having to worry about engine space....

Found this while searching for the ratmiata....
http://www.cardomain.com/ride/3858151

texan_idiot25

09-02-2010, 11:50 PM

Nah, if you used a coupe body or something there's no worry about fitment. LSx and oldschool 5.0s fit just fine in the Miata body.

I'm not a fan of two-tones along panel gaps, but that's just me.

Osiris19

09-03-2010, 12:11 AM

Why does Mazda have a thing for makin there cars smile?

I love that shade of blue. Goes nice o. That car.

texan_idiot25

09-03-2010, 09:39 PM

Why does Mazda have a thing for makin there cars smile?

Happy cars sell well.

The Miata is not unlike John Mayer, who sells pop to play the blues. And by that I mean he uses his top 40 songs to make money and stay relevent, but his real music is deeply rooted in blues, and he's very talented at it. The Miata is cute, it sells very well to everyone with a fairly conservative image and good styling. Behind it's cute image is a chassis and engine deeply rooted in sports cars. It's high revving 1.6 loves to be revved out, quick and notchy 5 speed, fully independent suspension, RWD and lightweight make it a very solid platform for a track car. And because it sold so well, parts are everywhere for this car.

It sells cute in order to play on the race track.

surgeon

09-03-2010, 10:07 PM

I've got a question tex, this is your SECOND tuner....so are you switching to the darkside.... High revving 4 cylinders in lightweight chassis....japanese manufacturing... Have you purchased your first....type R sticker?

texan_idiot25

09-03-2010, 10:20 PM

The CRX was not a high revving car, it wasn't even safe to take the HF motor up to 6 grand (redline at 5k if I recall right), and quit making power at 4,000. I will say the CRX moved me into small, good handling cars. However, there's nothing like that V8 rumble and torque-everywhere feeling of the CST10 and other V8 cars. I don't like this Miata engine that much, it's gutless and makes what little power it does up high. The 1.8 is A LOT healthier in the mid range, and if I have a chance I'd probably throw it in.

But back to Jap cars, for something as a DD, the fun small car is a pretty fool proof choice, as long as you stick with right older Jap models.

Had the CRX not been such a good car, I wouldn't have this view. 90s Hondas are trash in comparison (****ty manuals, piguglyundersteering, "heavy"), other Euro models that made it here are even more terrible, America never could build a good compact back then, and anything else from Korea is a piece of ****.

The 1st generation CRX defined what a FWD compact should be. IMO, I haven't driven a newer small car (besides the purpose built Miata) that can live up to it. I generally hate every other late model Jap car since.

Oh, and the count is 3 American cars, and 2 Jap cars. ;)

texan_idiot25

09-09-2010, 11:39 PM

Before:
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After:
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Hooray crank bolt failure!

FloydfanYodaman

09-10-2010, 12:33 AM

texan_idiot25

09-10-2010, 01:23 AM

I was going to do the check next weekend, it's a good bit of work to tear down the front of the motor, and I wanted to do it at my dad's work in Houston. Bolt loosened today, but the car was also running poorly yesterday too. You're supposed to need a breaker bar to get the bolt out... I didn't even have to try hard with a ratchet... Bolt had some broken threads too.

The crank ain't too bad, I'll be able to easily repair it. And, once the cams get back in time with the crank, this sucker is going to be A LOT more fun to drive.

Also, I missed working on a RWD car, so much easier to work on than the CRX!

texan_idiot25

09-14-2010, 05:36 PM

FEEXED. RWD shenanigans are afoot now, with everything back in order it's running much stronger than before. One of the problems with the crank nose failure is that the cams get out of time, like a slipped timing belt. This kills low RPM performance.

Now it's got guts to rocket up the steep hills mid turn with no qualms about it. Much more tail happy with the power :)

texan_idiot25

09-24-2010, 11:05 PM

Buffed the car out, came out nice.

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Today I finally got to blast along Lime Creek:
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Despite it's problems, mainly the bad shocks and bad lower control arm bushings (found one of the alignment bolts completly loose, raped the bushing in the process), the car is a blast at high speeds here. The 1.6 loves to be revved out, happily singing up to 7,000 rpm. It's a torqueless wonder below 3-4000 rpm, but traffic practice of heel-toeing has helped getting it down the gears in order to scratch out of turns and up some of these massive hills.

The car has ****ty no-name brand tires up front (suicide in the rain) and torn up bridge stones in back, yet it's still neutal and predictable. Roll on the throttle exiting a corner, and the rear end bites down, the car starts to rotate a bit, and it runs out of the corner at full speed. It's much lovelier than the CRX, which ran out of power past 4,000 rpm and would get mild understeer if you throttled it too early.

I maaaaay flip this car to get one that's a bit more solid though... Too many small things wrong about this car, namely little maintenance **** that's been neglected or done wrong. The trans is tired too, it's unhappy to do any quick shifting and the RPMs have to be fairly revmatched for the next gear. If I can get this gone for asking price, I have my eyes set on a much nicer '90 with a hard top and a fresh motor.

But for now, the little car has redeemed itself. Plus, fighting BMWs on these roads is a blast.

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stang_racer

10-02-2010, 06:38 PM

90s Hondas are trash in comparison (****ty manuals, piguglyundersteering, "heavy"), other Euro models that made it here are even more terrible,

here is where your wrong. please go find a cheap bmw e30 325. any model of 325, weather it be the E, I, IS or the best being awd IX and you will quickly retract this statement. and yes id classify the e30 to be a sort of compact car. its under 2700lbs. weighing in at 2684 for a 1984 325e. also with the E cars, battery is already moved to the rear of the car. 318's all had theirs in the engine bay.

winner

10-02-2010, 06:54 PM

texan_idiot25

10-02-2010, 10:17 PM

here is where your wrong. please go find a cheap bmw e30 325. any model of 325, weather it be the E, I, IS or the best being awd IX and you will quickly retract this statement. and yes id classify the e30 to be a sort of compact car. its under 2700lbs. weighing in at 2684 for a 1984 325e. also with the E cars, battery is already moved to the rear of the car. 318's all had theirs in the engine bay.
So how about those 1990 Benzs with biodegradable wiring insulation? How about those VWs with hilarious electrical problems and pain in the *** service? How about those later 90s BMWs, same electrical gremlins? How about the onslaught of failed attempts by BL? Remember Stirling? Just about any attempt by the UK in the US failed miserably by the 90s. Take a look at Monsterhunter's Audi for a prime example of what you can expect from them.

LATE 80s BMWs (post head cracking era), W123 (some W124) diesels are just about the only good models we got, in the long run. But, in the case of the BMWs, have fun paying for obscure EFI parts later on. The E30 was a consideration when looking around, but 80s EFI is a ***** and one reason why I went with the Miata. Good cars, but not as reliable or as easy to get parts for than a newer model car that sold in MUCH higher numbers.

Yes, the general crop of euro cars from the 80s and 90s are pretty terrible by now. Get over the fanboism. This is not the hunt for the coolest car I can buy, regardless of running costs or reliability, this is for something that's a cheap and simple, reliable daily driver.

winner

10-02-2010, 10:32 PM

have fun paying for obscure EFI parts later on.

depends very much where you live. there's a BMW scrap yard right down the street from Road Atlanta that stays packed with pretty much 3 of every model you can think off. and yes you'd be buying used but anything you can find in decent shape will cost 3X less then new but will still get you back on the road

texan_idiot25

10-03-2010, 04:10 AM

depends very much where you live. there's a BMW scrap yard right down the street from Road Atlanta that stays packed with pretty much 3 of every model you can think off. and yes you'd be buying used but anything you can find in decent shape will cost 3X less then new but will still get you back on the road

I don't speak of specialty places. Can I walk into a Vatozone in a random town and expect to find a good bit of basic parts with little issue? In the case of the Mazda, yes. That engine and it's variants were used for all of the 90s in many models. Millions of cars with the little Mazda 4 banger.

Blade.

10-05-2010, 09:32 PM

winner

10-05-2010, 10:27 PM

hmm, lol oh yea.... you dislike german but like japanese? i do remember toyota gave us a very good present on the prius. hmm what was it? oh yea! it was the amazing ability to stop and not get stuck at full throttle like a death trap would! yay! thanks japan! :D

texan_idiot25

10-05-2010, 11:50 PM

Reasoning behind all of your assumptions?

No ranting please. I would like to fully understand why you hate German vehicles so very much.

Also to note, please do not say 'Electrical problems in the Volkswagens' or any of that please. Its like a T.V. on repeat... Just never stops and only shows that there is nothing else to claim that a Volkswagen is utter garbage because of one item...

No vehicle is perfect, but if they get you from point a to point b with no problems then that is what they are for.

Hell, I'd drive a Ford for that, and I dislike Ford greatly...

Oh, and to make this a little more intresting... Atleast German cars aren't using leaf springs like the Corvette is.:lol:

But all in all, I would really like to know your reasoning behind the hatred towards German built vehicles... Without a rant?:)

Thanks Phillip.

Tom.

-Not assumptions, general problems on a model by model basis:

-BMWs, especially their larger models have problems. Their V8 and V12 models are iffy at best, and enjoy buying parts for them. The 80s I6 ones stand well, but like previously mentioned parts are more costly (then comparable era cars) and sometimes harder to find. Maintenance parts on the 90s and up is quite costly and often difficult.

-Mercedes Benz went to hell in the 90s. One of the more famous examples is their biodegradable wiring harnesses. Guess what those wires are doing 10-20 years later? They went from solidly engineered and rather simple cars like the venerable W123, to overengineering for the sake of it. Quality dropped like a rock in the 90s for them, and it shows.

-Electrical problems on a VW are very common. Ask an independent mechanic. Their habit of random electrical faults in the dash is mindblowing, and their long term reliability ratings are down by Suzuki.

-I won't even begin to rant on any British or Italian efforts (outside of the obvious supercars where things like long term reliability mean nothing). But, look up Stirling. BL managed to take a reasonably reliable Honda drivetrain, and give it British quality. The brand failed because of build quality problems.

-You just showed how blatantly ignorant you are, but do look up the advantages of a composite transverse leaf spring and why it was used in some Vettes. This isn't an S10 suspension.

hmm, lol oh yea.... you dislike german but like japanese? i do remember toyota gave us a very good present on the prius. hmm what was it? oh yea! it was the amazing ability to stop and not get stuck at full throttle like a death trap would! yay! thanks japan!
Who said I like all Japanese? Where have I praised Toyota? And how the hell do you think I have approval for the Prius?

So far I've praised the 1st generation CRX, and the NA Miata, generally disregarded any other 90s FWD Jap car. You've taken my statement on Euro cars and concentrated on a few select German models because you are a BMW fanboi.

Arguing with ignorance gets no place boys. While many models are all great and fine while running, we're not talking about performance attributes. The ability to stay running and get parts cheaply is most important to a person on a budget in college. Neither of you can afford the cars you're defending, so I'd love to see the both of you go out and buy your respective fine, well used, German automobiles and live with them for a good while. And do so with less than $3,000. I'll see your Jetta and V12 Bimmers later.

texan_idiot25

10-06-2010, 12:21 AM

Hell, 90s used car problems in general-
Cadillac- 4.9 and early NorthStar motors are problematic too. They both eat head gaskets with age (with the Nstar pulling bolts out of the block), and both leak oil. GM has a tech note stating 1 quart of oil for every 1000-2000 miles is acceptable in the north star.
Chevy (and cousins)- 4bangers are meh at best. Quad 4s, while powerful, were ****. Common problems on the early compact cars (cavi, grand-am) were over heating, and they fall apart. V6s, the 3.1, 3.4, and the venerable 3.8 were very good engines in the long run. Basically, if you stay away from the 4bangers, the mid and full size cars are good running cars. And, you could get station wagons with Corvette based LT1s.
Ford- some cars had electrical problems, but main problem (in my experience) is maintenance work is difficult. Ford loved special bolts, tools, fittings etc. Started to drop the ball and became complacent with models. IMO the only cheap Ford worth buying is an ex-cop Crown Vic, or maybe the occasional Lincoln Mark VIII (beware of air suspension, $$$ to repair when the bags do fail)
Chrysler/Dodge- If it wasn't powered by their old V8s, it was usually ****ty. The Neon proved to be a good import fighter, dominated SCCA racing too, and was probably the most real reliable car from them at the time. Build quality was at an all time low. Benz and Mitsu were bad for the brand in the end.
Mitsubishi- DSMs, cheap econoboxes, disposable cars. In bed with Chrysler from the 80s
Honda- boring sedans, a few hot models. basic reliable transport
Toyota- killed any last signs of performance or cool. Cars generally reliable, but some of the most boring things you can buy on 4 wheels. Cheap.

This is all based on research, experience, independant mechanic (and friends of mine) observations and my own observations while searching for cheap DD's.

Blade.

10-06-2010, 12:31 AM

:lol: I'm ignorant.... :lol:

However, leaf's are OLD, completely useless in a vehicle that is and was built for an American based super-car... Viper > Vette in this case. Viper has the four wheel independant coil suspension, with a much larger engine at that. However, this is not here nor' there so with that being said, what I just said about the Viper and Vette are useless.:lol:

Anyways... BMW's are yes, expensive. Yet they are a ****ed good vehicle make, same as Volkswagen. Who gave us the diesel engine? The germans. Who gave us an 8 Speed Automatic in an SUV that has a diesel engine? Volkswagen. Who owned Volkswagen and used it as a cover-up for many items? Adolf Hilter who was Austrian.

Audi ; Owns Lambo. Made the Lambo's far better because of the Quattro AWD system. Also gave them a hell of a lot more space, and a relaxed feeling.

Porsche ; Let me see an Asian/American company make a vehicle that is NEAR perfect with weight, with the vehicle being rear engine rear wheel driven(or AWD.)

Volkswagen ; Lowest priced German vehicles, but all in all, still extremely good. Doesn't matter if it has electrical problems, go out and buy a new wiring harness from some OEM company and do the work yourself. It doesn't take that long if you know what you are doing.

Mercedes ; Never really compensated much for them... Never really true toned to how great or how horrible they were. So this area I am un-concerned about.

BMW ; Expensive to repair, like you noted. Yet, treat them good and they live for a long time. That goes for all vehicles, treat them well and you can have a vehicle roll over to 750***miles/kilometers.

Toyota ; Pretty decent vehicles engine wise. Body not so great due to the rust issues... However, any Japanese made computer in any Toyota and you will not have the problems as the American made computer in any Toyota's. Sticky accelerator, ECM problem. Found in, the American built computer.

Tom.

Nice doublepost ;)

texan_idiot25

10-06-2010, 12:44 AM

:lol: I'm ignorant.... :lol:

However, leaf's are OLD, completely useless in a vehicle that is and was built for an American based super-car... Viper > Vette in this case. Viper has the four wheel independant coil suspension, with a much larger engine at that. However, this is not here nor' there so with that being said, what I just said about the Viper and Vette are useless.:lol: \

Dual Over Head Cams are older than Pushrods, what's your point? Hell, piston engines are really old! Age means nothing and you've yet to actually learn anything about a composite transverse leaf spring. The Vette is still 4 wheel independent, and does use magnetic-fluid dampened coilovers in the ZR1, "base", and GS models. And, when the Z06 did use it the single leaf spring, it had the upper hand over the Viper quite often at the time. The only Viper that was "better" was a barely street legal package, the ACR. Which has the bare minimum needed to be street legal, and if I recall right ran it's Nurb run on R-compound tires.

Once again, you're bringing new vehicles into this argument, and none of which that I've criticized for this comparison.

BMW ; Expensive to repair, like you noted. Yet, treat them good and they live for a long time. That goes for all vehicles, treat them well and you can have a vehicle roll over to 750***miles/kilometers.

Never true for all vehicles. That's probably one of the most ignorant things said tonight.

Thomas Dawson (since you seem to find some satisfaction in knowing my name), you talk a lot with knowing so little. You've done this repeatedly.You can't stay on topic, on argument, or anything else. Hell, you pick some of the silliest things to argue about like the Corvette's single leaf spring, which you can't even find actual fault with. You might as well gripe about pushrods while you're at it.

So I challenge you to this: Go buy one of the cars you claim to be all mighty. Seriously, go grab an 80s V12 bimmer. Or, can you not afford anything that you've praised? That would entirely void your attempts here, which is by all means finding cheap and reliable DD's. Not money-is-no-object comparisons.

Osiris19

10-06-2010, 06:33 AM

o.o This thread's gone to the deep end. I'd like to see some progress, not arguing.

winner

10-06-2010, 08:55 AM

because you are a BMW fanboi.

what does thgat have to do with anything? im not too picky with cars, lol the only thing i have to say when buying a car is off brands like geo are crap, and FWD was made by satin... i even had a ford! lol and liked it!

I'd love to see the both of you go out and buy your respective fine, well used, German automobiles and live with them for a good while. And do so with less than $3,000. I'll see your Jetta and V12 Bimmers later.

i see happiness in your future, im looking to buy a E30 325i within the next year for around $2,500

o.o This thread's gone to the deep end. I'd like to see some progress, not arguing.

not arguing, constructive critisim ;)

texan_idiot25

10-06-2010, 11:22 AM

i see happiness in your future, im looking to buy a E30 325i within the next year for around $2,500

not arguing, constructive critisim ;)

As mentioned, old E30s aren't bad (but if we're strictly talking performance, the Miata is a better car). But defend your point that all BMWs are good, go big, get the V12.

The problem with you being a BMW fanboi is that you have heavy bias. Bad for you is you can't find any fault with that, and have thus far defended BMW/German cars with little reason for the sake of this topic. Hell, you even attempted to say I liked, approved of, or had some acceptance of Toyota, their problems, or the Prius. And if you've paid any attention to this site over the years, or facebook, you'd see why that made you look like an aimless fool, grasping for any gutless argument you could.

And yes, mindless *****ing and arguing from the both of you. You both took insult to my opinion and then started whining with German fanboism.

Now, unless you can actually respond with anything creative or relevant, don't even bother typing. Neither of you know as much as me honestly, this is pretty clear now, especially for Tommy boy, and his Topgear-esque jab at Corvettes. The both of you just got mad that I'm not bashing some rice boy for once, and Tommy boy is mad that I caught his BS in the Chevy thread last week.

o.o This thread's gone to the deep end. I'd like to see some progress, not arguing
Turning this one around, may have someone picking it up for a project. The car was neglected by several mindless previous owners, and I don't want to deal with the problems in the long run as a DD, stuff like crossthreaded sparkplug holes, little **** like that.. Looking for a later 1.8 NA with a bit more guts, and no short nose crank problems which was caused by a previous owner, there were signs that it had been screwed with before.

Blade.

10-06-2010, 07:55 PM

How's this, I got my 1989 Toyota Camry, at $600.00 Canadian. You dislike Toyota, well. This is one **** good vehicle.

It's pretty hard to find an 80's V12 BMW up here. Sorry chap. Cannot help you out there.(Not bimmer, it's beamer. Learn to spell ;))

I can pick up a 1980's Jetta for about $500.00 here in town, has the diesel engine in her, and runs perfectly fine. Why don't I pick it up? Rather not waste space in my driveway nor' am I arguing with you about items. Maybe you should realize the factor that not everything you think is reality, maybe you should get your head out of your arse and have a sense of diginity and allow yourself to be open minded instead of a close minded ignorant asshat, (and at that I'm expecting some points with that sentence.) You show no respect to anyone on this forum, you bash members. Who in fact probably have more knowledge than you. Where do you source your information? I see that you edit your posts, and then put in more information. Are you googling these facts? Are you using that site, Jalopnik? I'm curious. How are you getting this information? Cause' I know your highschool Auto class don't give you that information. I've gone through the courses in College to get my Auto-Ticket.

Hell, I was doing first year college in grade 12. What are you doing? Still working as a pizza boy delivering pizza's in your Kirby car? I think so. I might be younger than you, but I am a whole lot smarter than you.

What is this BS in that Chev. thread? I see none, seeing as you gave me a challenge, that I will not fulfill for your lacking. Try and bend steel piping. Do it, because I can. I can do it without a pipe-bender. You cannot say anything until you have tried it, and yet you still flap your jaw at every little item. You are truely turning into something that I dislike, a lazy hypocrite.

You say I got mad? You've got to be kidding me on this. I am enjoying your comments to my posts. All you are doing is feeding me, and making it easier to troll you.

You've stepped on un-easy ground, now it's your move Phillip Thomas.(I got your name from Facebook, good job on finding stuff on Facebook! Look at how smart you are!)

Also, since when was it ok to use 'boi' as a term for boy? Pretty sure it was fanboy last time I checked. God, you should learn how to spell... Pretty sure you've become a ricer in fact. Your claiming this is only for a DD. F' That. Your close minded, you claimed Camaro rules all, now your bending over for that CRX and that PoS Miata. Hell, that isn't even a good year for the Miata. Useless garbage is what it is. Yet, calling me Tommy Boy isn't going to change a thing, sure my name is Tom. What's it to you? Pretty sure you got your name the same way I did. From our parents, however.. I'm not sure what kind of clique you grew up in. As far as I know, your an a-hole and will always be one.

If you think you can call someone out, then do it right now. Call me out, call me out right now, and don't edit your post this time. Cause' you have no knowledge what-so-ever, and when you google your information you then edit your post. I watch, I learn.

Good-day Phillip. It's your turn, and I've already pinned down your king.

winner

10-06-2010, 08:22 PM

.As mentioned, old E30s aren't bad (but if we're strictly talking performance, the Miata is a better car). But defend your point that all BMWs are good, go big, get the V12.

for the price the miata is better but for track the bmw will win, besides how many mazda touring cars are there? oh yea. i know

http://jalopnik.com/assets/images/gallery/12/2009/04/thumb800x800_3454009979_5a98b47aed_o.jpg
lemon's 24H thats just what i want to drive around daily.
The problem with you being a BMW fanboi is that you have heavy bias. Bad for you is you can't find any fault with that, and have thus far defended BMW/German cars with little reason for the sake of this topic.

i am not bias, i am actually very open minded, but i also have strong opinions, and when you go around saying " the honda crx is the only good handling car in the 80's" or w/e it was then that strong opinion jumps in. and i will admit that bmw's do have there flaw but it was almost never huge. and if im a bmw fanboi then i must also be a ford, chevy, audi, nissan, and subaru fanboi.

Hell, you even attempted to say I liked, approved of, or had some acceptance of Toyota, their problems, or the Prius.

i never actually said you liked, approved, or had any acceptance of toyota, but you have fallen under the spell of japanese death traps as seen by your last two cars, and that was just to point out what japan has been kind enough to give us, a car that trys to kill you, but they didnt do that in japan .

Blade.

10-06-2010, 08:27 PM

Winner claims a good point in this. Phillip, seeing as your influx to even bothering with reading our posts and seeing only a few items, only to me seems ironic. Your claiming that the Combustion engine is older than Leaf Springs, got news for you. The Leaf Spring is older. Far older, older than a steam powered engine, a coal powered engine. It's a Roman Invention in the B.C. Ages, when they made Horsedrawn Chariets for War.

You should really put on your thinking hat and gain more knowledge then I. I'm not seeing anything of your knowledge to be more than mine.

Almost have you at Check and Mate.

FloydfanYodaman

10-06-2010, 11:15 PM

:uhoh: um...could we not involve toyota?...m'kay?...we are having enough issues this year without you 3 stirring the pot:nodno: :cry: thanks...carry on :lol: ...

texan_idiot25

10-07-2010, 01:34 AM

Winner- You do realize E30s are common in the 24 hours of Lemons too? But hey, you ignored just about every SCCA and Spec Miata racing series out there, along with all levels of amateur racing.. Now, if you're going to bring in DTM cars, well might I interest you in comparing apples and oranges? Total race cars =/= street cars. You've yet to bring any real arguments to the table, trying to discount the Miata in racing is pretty silly if you've ever paid attention to motor sports, especially in amateur racing.

Winner claims a good point in this. Phillip, seeing as your influx to even bothering with reading our posts and seeing only a few items, only to me seems ironic. Your claiming that the Combustion engine is older than Leaf Springs, got news for you. The Leaf Spring is older. Far older, older than a steam powered engine, a coal powered engine. It's a Roman Invention in the B.C. Ages, when they made Horsedrawn Chariets for War.
And the wheel is older than all of that, not making any progress here kiddo. You've still yet to have an actual reason against the Vette suspension, just pathetic gripes about it being "old", which is no good argument.

As for your rant above, it's so full of factless *****ing, hypocrisy (***** about spelling, and then misspell words) and now personal complaining (a true sign that you've run out of logical arguments about the topic at hand) it's notta bother to respond to. You've proven your ignorance countless times on this site, the only thing you manage to do is get wordier. Unless you can respond to my initial arguments (not sarcastic bull**** and wordplay) about any of the models I've talked about, you've got nothing to stand on. Get over yourself Tommy boy.

FWIW I edit to pickup on spelling/grammar errors mostly, but little info actually changes.

And saying I'm close minded with my crop of car choices? Le sigh.

texan_idiot25

10-07-2010, 02:49 AM

I'll end this argument with this:
http://thechive.files.wordpress.com/2010/05/haters-gonna-hate-1.jpg

The Miata should go to a new home for $2700ish. For my adoring fans, that's the $200 CRX sold for $1500, and when this deal is done, the $1700 Miata for $2700. What's next is up in the air, still want to continue with a 1.8 Miata. Alternatively the 2nd plan is to maybe flip cars, climb the price totem pole, sell what ever I have by next summer and dump said profit right into the last bits of the CST10. 3-4k would do nicely for the cab & trans swap with plenty left over, and is very attainable even if I just keep the 1.8 Miata.

Lucky7

10-07-2010, 10:49 AM

You sound like that 15 year old that started with a phone or something and kept trading up till he owned had a Porsche. Don't stop! Who knows what you may end up with. :)

Blade.

10-07-2010, 04:11 PM

Phillip, you might want to take note. I do not mis-type or mis's'pell any of my words. I speak real english. Not lazy english. You know how you spell colour, 'color' well.. Got news for you, it's actually spelt colour. Showing it's proper english. Who first came up with english? Oh that's right the British.

Your claiming useless facts, saying I am ignorant is ubsurd. You should take note on your own posts. In fact, I do believe you are the most ignorant bastard on this site! Hell, I don't think I have met anyone as ignorant as you.

How am I posting sarcastic bull? I'm posting truth. My knowledge > Your knowledge. Face it, I'm younger and smarter. Been through college earlier than you. God, your making me regret even posting on this thread because YOU cannot TAKE any of this. You CANNOT take critism, you CANNOT take in facts about vehicles that ARE GOOD. You are close minded to things you want to view. It is obvious, you should take time and think things through...

S - Stop
T - Think
O - Observe
P - Plan

Claiming a Miata is a far better vehicle than a BMW? That right there is non-sense. A Miata might be better at getting more MPG, but the BMW will slaughter it.

The Vette's suspension is old. Doesn't matter. Old is old. Coil over suspension is far better, uses the same housing for the shock absorber thus' reducing weight without needing seperate mounting places or shackles. Leafs are heavier than coils, require a different mounting place for the shock absorber increasing weight for the mounting spots.

With that said, what will you say? Oh! I know "your ignorant and cannot posts to my arguements, but just rant on 'Tommy-boy'" Please Phillip. Your just like a CD Player, stuck on repeat. Nothing you say changes at all.

You are incoherent with many of the things you say. In reality, no one cares on what you say these days. Your a prick, people just show you affection because of your attention needs.

Also, your picture seems like it is something you would do.

bondo

10-07-2010, 07:18 PM

http://thechive.files.wordpress.com/2010/05/haters-gonna-hate-1.jpg

skipping musta been the best way to keep his penny loafers dry while crossing the street to get in his miata....:lol:

texan_idiot25

10-07-2010, 10:24 PM

http://cdn2.sbnation.com/imported_assets/529676/haters_gonna_hate.gif
Oh look, it's the same argument reworded again, this time even wordier. Yup, I'm in college, have a job, make good money. Able to make some side money with cars. Close minded? Nah, not any more, and I even listed faults for a handful of other automakers with in the target price range/age initially mentioned. You ignored that and continue to complain over and over about German cars. You've never brought any real arguments to the table, just a lot of wordy ranting. "Old," :lol: **** man, wheels are old. Doors are old. Window are old. You compare the Vette's suspension to a horse and buggy, and in doing so show that you have no comprehension of the actual setup. Topgear is not factual, learn about the suspension setup. But hey, that makes your [dad's] S10 DOUBLE crappy. It's got two leaf springs. Makes sense, yes?

Yes, the Miata is a good bit better than an E30 stock for stock, outside of the M cars. Lighter (Taking the Colin Chapman philosophy of "Adding Lightness"), better suspension with upper/lower control arms with coil overs on all 4 corners instead of ("old") McPherson struts up front, and ("old") rear trailing arm setup. It's straight line performance is very similar to the E30 as well, but you don't pick either car for drag race. You can only show ignorance if you deny the Miata's handling, there's a **** fine reason it's dominated SCCA and auto-x for such a long time.

Phillip, you might want to take note. I do not mis-type or mis's'pell any of my words.

Your claiming this is only for a DD

You're. You are. ;) Don't start to lecture when you can't follow some of the most basic rules. English is derived from many languages, the Britts didn't pull it out of the air. And arguing about minimal spelling differences between countries? Jesus, you're bringing things that aren't in any way relevant to the discussion into your posts... To show some sort of intelligence? This is very common to have different variations of one language. Spanish is a prime example, where there's different forms based on region. "Mexican" Spanish and "Central American" Spanish are not unlike "American" English and "British" English, or "Canadian" English. There's no right way between the different variations, each is acceptable. Favorite, Favourite, etc etc. It's regional. :lol:

In general you suck, and regularly make you self look like a fool. What’s up with that?

jimmythekid1

10-07-2010, 10:54 PM

I wonder what these two modern fully independent suspensions fit?
http://image.vetteweb.com/f/24757876+w750+st0/vemp_0910_11_z+corvette_suspension_kits+independen t_suspension.jpg
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/5/51/Leafs2.jpg (http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/5/51/Leafs2.jpg)

http://www.xmodsource.com/forum/<a href=

winner

10-07-2010, 11:01 PM

I wonder what these two modern fully independent suspensions fit?

i dont know my vettes very well, but im pretty sure the C5 came with the most advanced suspension. so im guessing thoose are for a C5? but i dont know my vettes to the best i could, correct me if im wrong please?

jimmythekid1

10-07-2010, 11:40 PM

XMDrifter

10-08-2010, 12:18 AM

Phillip, you might want to take note. I do not mis-type or mis's'pell any of my words. I speak real english. Not lazy english. You know how you spell colour, 'color' well.. Got news for you, it's actually spelt colour. Showing it's proper english. Who first came up with english? Oh that's right the British.

Your claiming useless facts, saying I am ignorant is ubsurd. You should take note on your own posts. In fact, I do believe you are the most ignorant bastard on this site! Hell, I don't think I have met anyone as ignorant as you.

How am I posting sarcastic bull? I'm posting truth. My knowledge > Your knowledge. Face it, I'm younger and smarter. Been through college earlier than you. God, your making me regret even posting on this thread because YOU cannot TAKE any of this. You CANNOT take critism, you CANNOT take in facts about vehicles that ARE GOOD. You are close minded to things you want to view. It is obvious, you should take time and think things through...

S - Stop
T - Think
O - Observe
P - Plan

Claiming a Miata is a far better vehicle than a BMW? That right there is non-sense. A Miata might be better at getting more MPG, but the BMW will slaughter it.
depends on the BMW. some might, some definitely will, some won't at all

The Vette's suspension is old. Doesn't matter. Old is old. Coil over suspension is far better, uses the same housing for the shock absorber thus' reducing weight without needing seperate mounting places or shackles. Leafs are heavier than coils, require a different mounting place for the shock absorber increasing weight for the mounting spots.

With that said, what will you say? Oh! I know "your ignorant and cannot posts to my arguements, but just rant on 'Tommy-boy'" Please Phillip. Your just like a CD Player, stuck on repeat. Nothing you say changes at all.

You are incoherent with many of the things you say. In reality, no one cares on what you say these days. Your a prick, people just show you affection because of your attention needs.

Also, your picture seems like it is something you would do.

i just wanna take a stab at this typo that came right after you said you didn't mis-type words.

if you're going to say you don't mis-type stuff, then don't mess up your spelling of "absurd" into "ubsurd."

it just bugs me.

suicide_star

10-08-2010, 01:57 PM

You people are so misinformed. Dodge Neon>ALL.

surgeon

10-08-2010, 04:42 PM

I want to jump in on the whole German made car thing. Although I enjoy the aesthetics of some German made cars, VW Golf, classic BMWs (prior to the image change that made them look like Saturns), I would never own one as every single person I have know that has owned one has been nothing but trouble. Roughly 25+ cars...and all of them from brand new to a decade used has been rubbish save the classic VWs that were designed by Nazis. However rather than state a mere observation based on my second hand experience with friends and coworkers (which would undoubtedly be labeled as opinion rather than observation), I am providing some some links and information for you, that could be articulated with a simple google search as all information presented points in the same direction. I used the key terms "Least reliable automobile" so that I wouldn't bring up prejudice by searching by make.

Here is a link for the German fans to look over, dated material from 2007 including Most and Least reliable vehicles.

http://www.thesunsfinancialdiary.com/auto/least-reliable-cars-not-american-made-not-japanese-made-but-european-made/

No German Made car made it into the most reliable categories, however the various manufacturers did have a large showing the least reliable categories.

Another Article:
http://www.consumerreports.org/cro/cars/new-cars/cr-recommended/best-worst-in-car-reliability-1005/reliability-findings/reliability-findings.htm

"European brands continue to improve. Mercedes-Benz has made great strides, with most models average, and the GLK did exceptionally well in its first year. Scores from rival BMW were more mixed. The 535i sedan and X3 SUV declined in reliability, and the 135i, debuting in this survey, scored below-average. Some BMW models had average or better reliability, but the 328i versions are the only ones that we've tested and can recommend.

Volkswagen and Audi are staging a nice recovery. The Volkswagen Rabbit (Golf for 2010), and its new CC got top scores. The VW Jetta's recommendation now extends to the diesel version, making it the only diesel we currently recommend. Both the Passat and Audi A3 have improved to average. The new VW Tiguan SUV was average. The Audi Q7 SUV continues to be much worse than average, while the VW Touareg, which had the worst new car prediction score in the survey, is 27 times more likely to have a problem than the best, the Honda Insight.

All of Volvo's sedans were average or better, but Volvo's XC90 SUV was below average. Porsche, which has been doing quite well in our survey of late, had one serious hiccup this year: The Boxster dropped to below average, which strikes it from our recommended list. But the Cayenne SUV improved to average."

texan_idiot25

10-10-2010, 01:44 AM

i dont know my vettes very well, but im pretty sure the C5 came with the most advanced suspension. so im guessing thoose are for a C5? but i dont know my vettes to the best i could, correct me if im wrong please?

The C6 has many improvements over the C5, but they share the same basic lay out. The biggest improvement is the Delphi Magnetic shocks, 1st used by GM in Cadillac. Infinitely adjust able dampening stiffness, it's a really sweet system. In the CTS is makes the car ride smooth like a Cadillac should, but the second you throw it into a corner it tightens right up. It's a trick setup, and works well in the vette, giving it a decent ride (for a sports car) with out compromising performance. It also adjusts thousands of times a second based on several variables.

xmodkidd33

10-10-2010, 11:52 PM

I LOVE MIATAS.

http://slamburglars.com/forum/index.php?showtopic=8&hl=

Osiris19

10-11-2010, 09:26 AM

Google Chrome flagged it as malicious website. Hmm.

xmodkidd33

10-11-2010, 11:48 AM

slamburglars. it's a las vegas-based car community, who slam their cars. the thread's a miata picture thread, for tex to get some ideas. calm down.

texan_idiot25

10-11-2010, 10:40 PM

Gee, sure got silent here.

The little Smurf Miata goes to a new home on the 19th. Buyer is looking for a little fixer-upper, and that's what it is. Just more than I want to fix ATM. Found another hardtop '90 for a few bucks more, and with a fresh motor (no SNC worries) that I'll pick up that same day. Also may look at a later 1.8 Miata that showed up on CL today, hard topped as well.

The plus side to getting one with a hardtop is those things are worth good money, making back a good chunk of change is easy.

Blade.

10-12-2010, 09:23 PM