Project: RCP ripper

[RedSXmodder]

Well, I couldn't think of anything else to call it so...

Basically, its a modded (or to be modded for that matter) gen1, seeing as the suspension geometry is favorable to track racing. Its gonna feature some Z standard stuff including an improved tie rod system (probably based off of color's MRCG) and *drastically* improved rear suspension (T-plate, anyone?)

Anywho, here's the list of upgrades:

Intellect 750 NiMh cells
Medium rear springs
Soft front springs
Pan car body mounted
42t pattern wind in M1 case set
18g wire
Ball Bearings all around
Micellaneous (sp?) weight savers
30wt shock oil (dampens surprisingly well, but is a mess to clean up)
Atomic compound 20 treads 9.5mm
*T-plate system
*Improved tierod system

Anywho, the electronics will remain stock (mostly) in order to be legal in HFAY and other stock class competitions.

Oh yeah, my kickass pan car body. Airbrushed by Davey G. on MZR (amazing airbrush skills)
http://i173.photobucket.com/albums/w74/RedSXmodder/P3180042.jpg
http://i173.photobucket.com/albums/w74/RedSXmodder/P3180041-1.jpg
http://i173.photobucket.com/albums/w74/RedSXmodder/P3170036.jpg

(You'll have to excuse my crappy pics)

Later,
RedSXmodder

[Donziikid]

Thirty weight sounds a little heavy to me, surprised you like that much stiffness. Thirty weight is actually what I use in my Axial..

Please, try to get better pictures of the body. I would love to see the paintjob he did on this pan body; he truely is an amazing painter. :)

[Stampedekid]

Ooh, I like where this is going! Any estimates on how long it'll take? Tell Davey G. That he did an amazing job!

[RedSXmodder]

Thirty weight sounds a little heavy to me, surprised you like that much stiffness. Thirty weight is actually what I use in my Axial..

Please, try to get better pictures of the body. I would love to see the paintjob he did on this pan body; he truely is an amazing painter. :)

Maybe some outdoor shots would help...

Hey, its only $2.00 to send it to you to take the pics, so I might just have to...

[Donziikid]

Hey, its only $2.00 to send it to you to take the pics, so I might just have to...

I'd add some hefty insurance to that package. If you're really up for it or for anything else, like more armatures, drop me a few lines. ;)

You should submit this to HFAY. Although, I don't believe you could use that motor.. I have to check the rules again.

[RedSXmodder]

I'd add some hefty insurance to that package. If you're really up for it or for anything else, like more armatures, drop me a few lines. ;)

You should submit this to HFAY. Although, I don't believe you could use that motor.. I have to check the rules again.


I know I can't use the motor, they use a handout system. I'd just use my motor for "practice" :)

Later,
RedSXmodder

[c1v1c]

Sorry whats HFAY?

[Donziikid]

Sorry whats HFAY?

HFAY (http://hfay.tinyrc.com/) is a 1:28th scale racing competition. It's generally done with the Kyosho MiniZ series, but some people are bold enough to use the RadioShack Xmods series. Quite fun, actually. I can't wait to get out to my states GTG (get to-gether) and race. :)

[RedSXmodder]

HFAY (http://hfay.tinyrc.com/) is a 1:28th scale racing competition. It's generally done with the Kyosho MiniZ series, but some people are bold enough to use the RadioShack Xmods series. Quite fun, actually. I can't wait to get out to my states GTG (get to-gether) and race. :)

Problem is, I have no idea where my state GTG is, lol :lol:

Seriously, I think that an outdoor shot should give this thing some help. It helped this NSX, right?

http://i173.photobucket.com/albums/w74/RedSXmodder/P4220101.jpg

EDIT: Here's my camera, anyone wanna help me out with the settings?
http://www.olympusamerica.com/cpg_section/cpg_archived_product_details.asp?id=957&fl=4

[Donziikid]

Problem is, I have no idea where my state GTG is, lol :lol:

Seriously, I think that an outdoor shot should give this thing some help. It helped this NSX, right?

It helped...

Closest HFAY GTG for your would be: MiniRC Speedway in Milwaukee. Here's the link to them on MZR: MiniRC Speedway. (http://www.minizracer.com/forums/forumdisplay.php?f=121). If now, plan to come to Michigan and I'll make sure to make those races too. :D

[RedSXmodder]

It helped...

Closest HFAY GTG for your would be: MiniRC Speedway in Milwaukee. Here's the link to them on MZR: MiniRC Speedway. (http://www.minizracer.com/forums/forumdisplay.php?f=121). If now, plan to come to Michigan and I'll make sure to make those races too. :D

Where is the Michigan area race held at? I should pay you a visit, Kyle, maybe race sometime.

I'd probably have to catch a plane though...

[superinfinity]

lol you should really come to my town sometime. we got good racing. xmods,mini-z,micro-t, 1:18 trucks. with circuits, tri-ovals, and jumps. you should come race sometime....

[RedSXmodder]

lol you should really come to my town sometime. we got good racing. xmods,mini-z,micro-t, 1:18 trucks. with circuits, tri-ovals, and jumps. you should come race sometime....

When I get my license I'll be over alot. Trust me :nod:

[Donziikid]

Where is the Michigan area race held at? I should pay you a visit, Kyle, maybe race sometime.

I'd probably have to catch a plane though...

They are held in Ann Arbor. Right in the middle of the state: Ann Arbor GTG on MZR. (http://www.minizracer.com/forums/forumdisplay.php?f=70) They are actually one of the largest GTG groups, one of the members being Mini-Z (owner of MZR). I have yet to make it out there, because of the dates, but I plan to someday. Although, I cannot race in HFAY, it'd be one great thing to see (my AWD is turbo'd with a Woah Nelly..).

It'd be great to see you out here. And to whoop your butt or vice versa. :p

[2wdpancar]

That is pretty cool red.
That body has to be my favorite part, the paint seems good, with the quality of those pics, there are some real-talented people out there, eh?:lol:

[RedSXmodder]

http://i173.photobucket.com/albums/w74/RedSXmodder/P3190041.jpg
http://i173.photobucket.com/albums/w74/RedSXmodder/P3190040.jpg
http://i173.photobucket.com/albums/w74/RedSXmodder/P3190036.jpg

A little bit better...

[Donziikid]

Litte bit, yes. He has some nice, crisp and flowing lines for the flames; very good work and very, very cool design concept. :D

[Stampedekid]

Wow! Donziikid, I was in Ann Arbor a few years back. We have some cousins who live there, if I ever go there again, I'll plan to race you. :lol: RedSXmodder, that is very attractive! Do you think that they will know it is not a Mini-Z? There used to be some good XMOD races around here. Now I plan on taking some of mine to my LHS's indoor track.(preferably for larger scales.)

[superinfinity]

hey i just got a porsche 962c racecar model. looks pretty much like a pancar. im going to mount it on my xmods so mine will look kinda like yours. The pink flames are awsome, but my painting skills arent quite there......yet!. glad to hear you'll be comin over sumtime soon though. when you planning to get your liscense?

[Sweed]

So what happened to the last pan car I donated to?

[xmodkidd33]

Looks sweet! Any plans on widening the wheel base?

[RedSXmodder]

So what happened to the last pan car I donated to?

This is the one, lol...

[black_g35]

wow this is going to be sick what do you have left to do ?

[RedSXmodder]

So....

After 4 hours of eating Mike n' Ikes, and burning my fingers on the soldering, I finally got the HS-55 servo wired up. Let me say, it works beautifully! I'd say at least 50% better than the stock servo, even on the crappy tx/rx system.

Then, to add to my joy, my package from XI came. In it, was my M1 motor case kit. I popped in a 42t pattern wound, FAT comm'ed arm and soldered on the motor wires. Needless to say, I was nothing short of impressed at the new motor case kit. It is beautiful! Not only that, but it shreds!

Now, the next things on the list are some +3 offset MA-010 rims (butt loads truer than stock xmod rims) to get the rims under the wells of the body (they're a *bit* shallow inside the body right now, lol).

http://i173.photobucket.com/albums/w74/RedSXmodder/P3250026.jpg
http://i173.photobucket.com/albums/w74/RedSXmodder/P3250024.jpg

So, the upgrades right now are:
42t pattern wound arm in M1 motor case
Intellect 750mAh high performance cells
Ball-Bearings all around
Relocated Antenna
Atomic 20 degree treads
Hitec HS-55 servo
Metal Lug nuts
Pan Car body

Later,
RedSXmodder

[Sweed]

It's ugly.
No, really, clean up that chassis.
Lay the Steering Servo down.
Or do something.
Please.
lol.

[2wdpancar]

Sweed, it doesn't look that bad:lol:
That is one nice chassis Red.:)

[mini-z drift]

Looks like a mini-x (in a bad way)
^+1
You know that Mini-z wheels dont have the same axle shape right?

[2wdpancar]

Looks like a mini-x (in a bad way)
^+1
You know that Mini-z wheels dont have the same axle shape right?

Red's car looks nothing like a Mini-X.

[mini-z drift]

To my it KINDA does.

[RedSXmodder]

It's ugly.
No, really, clean up that chassis.
Lay the Steering Servo down.
Or do something.
Please.
lol.

Your ugly, but nobody complains about you...

No really, the chassis is as clean as I can get it. The servo has to stay like that so I can keep the stock electronics.

Thanks for the coment though :lol:

[snowboi1289]

I think it looks good..
Keep us updated !!!

[firebird999]

what's with the backwards stickers? sorry, ocd, just had to ask.

[RedSXmodder]

Looks like a mini-x (in a bad way)
^+1
You know that Mini-z wheels dont have the same axle shape right?

MA-010 wheels are pretty durn close :bigwink:

firebird, you've never seen a car with inverted decals?

[RedSXmodder]

Updated:

Went shopping a few days ago. Picked up some stuff:

+3 offset MA-010 wheels
+3 offset MR-02 wheels
MR-02/MR-015 stock pinion set
PN 6° radial rcp tread (front) (2)
PN 6° radial rcp tread (rear) (2)
Assorted T-bars
ATOMIC SAS adjustable shocks (MA-010)

Here's a couple mocked up snaps of how she should looks not long from now. I'm going to have to modify the way the stock electronics sit so I can stick the T-plate farther back into the chassis, and shorten up the wheel base. Needless to say, there will be massive trimming in order.

I have a feeling the widened whell base, combined with a stiffer, more aligned rear end will end up with higher stability, and heightened corner speed. Plus, the direct drive system the MR-02 uses cuts the friction in half.

http://i173.photobucket.com/albums/w74/RedSXmodder/P4170076.jpg
http://i173.photobucket.com/albums/w74/RedSXmodder/P4170078.jpg
http://i173.photobucket.com/albums/w74/RedSXmodder/P4170079.jpg
http://i173.photobucket.com/albums/w74/RedSXmodder/P4170081.jpg

I also like how the wheels fit under the body better. It looks good :)

So the car's specs will be looking something like this:
Stock Gen1 ESC & rx/tx
Flex plate/T-bar rear suspension
Stock Independent wishbone suspension in front
Soft red springs
aluminum knuckles
Hitec Hs-55 servo
Team Redmade motor (42t pattern wind, FAT comm, M1 can)
MR-02 rear motor pod
PN 6° radials (front and rear)
PN racing Pan car body
Intellect 750mah batteries (4.8v stock)

Its gonna be a Z killa...!

Later,
RedSXmodder

[Stampedekid]

Awesome! I like it so far. Any ideas on how fast it'll go when it is finished? Ultimate Z Killer!

[xmodkidd33]

Lookin' great, Red. Why are you going with a Z rear end setup instead of the Xmod chassis?

[korekk93]

It's OK but this body is ugly!!

[2wdpancar]

Red, have you ever thought of getting two 2 AAA holders, and wiring them into your xmod, and mount them with stick tape?
When I had my gen1, I thought the holders wiere big and bulky, maybe using the RS ones could save some room and mass.

[RedSXmodder]

Lookin' great, Red. Why are you going with a Z rear end setup instead of the Xmod chassis?

If you look at the stock gen1 rear end, you'll notice that the rear swing arm system really pushes the wheels down too much. This causes some nasty positive camber, which effects cornering and running straight lines. Also, the stock drivetrain was heavy, cumbersome, and ineffecient. The MR-02's direct drive system makes sure that every rotation the motor makes is transfered as little as possible, lowering friction, and increasing acceleration and response time.

Red, have you ever thought of getting two 2 AAA holders, and wiring them into your xmod, and mount them with stick tape?
When I had my gen1, I thought the holders wiere big and bulky, maybe using the RS ones could save some room and mass.

I'm using the stock gen1 battery trays right now because I can't wire my batteries into packs, due to a lack of a decent pack charger. However, once I source a nice, inexpensive pack charger, I can start making packs, and cut a custom chassis with a lower CoG battery mounting style.

I will probably do a different body, now that the gen1 is actually fitting into it. I think I'll just do another pan car...

Later,
RedSXmodder

[2wdpancar]

Have you seen some of the NiMh chargers off all-battery, and batteryspace?

Here's one that should work okay:
http://www.all-battery.com/index.asp?PageAction=VIEWPROD&ProdID=1566
Heh, they are on sale, and free shipping, sweet!http://xmodworld.com/modules/Forums/images/smiles/icon_lol.gif

[firebird]

looks really good, what type of car body is that

[RedSXmodder]

Time for an update!

The widened wheelbase is wonderful. It turns alot better, and I can keep decent throttle into turns. The Direct Drive setup is much better, too. It eliminates the friction the gen1 rear end had. Not only that, but the acceleration is quick and smooth.

The front suspension is still under construction. Right now it has ATM SAS adjustable shocks with medium springs, but its too hard for my tastes. I like the responsiveness, but the turning radius shrank a little from when I had soft springs. My solution? A sway bar.

The anti-roll bars are just another tuning tool; as I understand it they will allow you to use soft springs (providing more total front grip) without the penalty of sluggish steering response. In theory, a win-win combination. AFAIK the bar helped an MR02 set the track record down at some track in the LA area (I think MPT) so there is some anecdotal evidence that it should work.


http://i173.photobucket.com/albums/w74/RedSXmodder/ClearShot3-1.jpg

Later,
RedSXmodder

[Donziikid]

Any chance for an under-chassis shot? I'd like to see how you managed to get the iWaver rear pod attached to the Gen1 tub.

[RedSXmodder]

No, no thats secret yet!

[RedSXmodder]

I thought of an easy idea, take a strip of metal, screw it in, use hex nuts, then screw in the plate to the strip, in the middle.:)

Pretty much what I did, except with a piece of plastic....

[2wdpancar]

Pretty much what I did, except with a piece of plastic....

I see, sorry to ruin your secret, I'll delete the post.:p
Wait, it's in your post..great

[RedSXmodder]

naw, its ok. I'm just not going to show you pictures of it, lol...

I'm such a jerk

[meme405]

LOL Red...

Yeah i was thinking about trying to make a custom bottom chassis, that fits the original tan chassis, or a team XI chassis without modification thats built for a direct drive setup...

But my car is only RWD so it wouldnt work with an AWD car...

[Sweed]

naw, its ok. I'm just not going to show you pictures of it, lol...

I'm such a jerk

You're such a Jerk-Off...
I'm suprised you have money for xmods with your spending priorities..

[RedSXmodder]

You're such a Jerk-Off...
I'm suprised you have money for xmods with your spending priorities..

Sweeds just jealous because the price of gas is up, and he has to much stuff to buy for his 1:1 car. :lol: I do have a job...

The anti-roll bars are looking a little sketchy right now. I'm still not sure how exactly to mount it. I just have to bend a paper-clip to the shape, however, mounting it to the knuckle is the tough part....

Later,
RedSXmodder

[RedSXmodder]

Well, I got my Intellects charged up, and set out to make myself a track. After sweeping up the garage floor, and laying out a track (2x4's worked wonderfully) I was ready to start testing out the current setup. Right now the suspension looks like this:

3° tie rod (plastic)
aluminum knuckes (0°)
medium/stock springs with tweaked preload
Stock shock/pod/T-bar setup in the back

I am very pleased with the smooth, acceleration, and quicker response from the Direct Drive setup. With a 7t pinion, I was mostly able to keep full throttle out of the turns with a 42t pattern wound motor! However, the dusty floors combined with a relitively soft rear suspension created poor rear traction and I'd have to reduce throttle to about 25% without spinning out. Its flat out dusty, so I think that might be a little bit of a problem, lol.

I drove for about 3-4 hours, so I really got the feel of the car, and was able to do a lap fairly decent (I'm kinda bad at driving, lol). Through out the entire test run, I only broke one thing. The servo horn, which was in need of an update anyway. Everything got a nice coating of dust, too. Looks like I have some cleaning and bearing lubeing to do:

Here's three quick snaps of the car. Ignore the lego's glued onto the battery holders. I'm trying to figure a mounting setup, seeing as the rear pod eliminates the stock mounting setup:
http://i173.photobucket.com/albums/w74/RedSXmodder/P5140019.jpg
http://i173.photobucket.com/albums/w74/RedSXmodder/P5140018.jpg
http://i173.photobucket.com/albums/w74/RedSXmodder/P5140017.jpg

Best part was, I actually had a ton of fun just driving around the track. If I can have more days like that one, I'll be a great driver in no time!

Later,
RedSXmodder

[texan_idiot25]

Sweet idea with the mini-z rear end, haven't seen that before. Flex plate action and all?

[RedSXmodder]

Sweet idea with the mini-z rear end, haven't seen that before. Flex plate action and all?

You bet! It makes the xmod feel soooo much more precise. Just the Direct Drive setup alone does sooo much....

[texan_idiot25]

maybe I aught to fab up some uber flex plate for the DMX's rear end :lol:

[Donziikid]

Wow, you certainly do have a dusty garage. Have fun cleaning that baby! :lol:

If either of your parents have a Sams Club membership, you should think about picking up some foam tiles. I was just there this evening and saw a package of 8 tiles for $15. :o The medium-sized 1.5' x 1.5' ones in assorted colors.

[meme405]

You know how to get rid of that dust...?

Open your garage door and just take one of those gas leaf blowers to everything in sight, itll lift all the dust. Then just leave your door open for half a day and a lot of it should just get up and leave...

Another way of getting rid of a lot of dirt and debry is to clean it top to bottom one day. Its should stay clean for a long time...

THE BEST WAY THOUGH:

Those roll on deck liners with rubber compound bits in them. They provide a nice even surface and give so much grip that your car will flip before you lose traction...Way better than RCP mats...

[bestdragon2001]

A way you might be able to mount it is to glue the battery clips to the inside, then to take the body off just pop the clips off.

[RedSXmodder]

Update? Ressurection? Whatever...

I got my order from AM. A Kyosho Version II Ball Differential (set me back $30) some assorted SSG (silver surface graphite, its beautiful), superflex wire, some assorted springs, and a stock gen1 chassis tub.

After sitting downstairs for a half hour working on it, I got the chassis setup, and began to work on mouning the batts to the elecs. After another half hour or so, I had managed to fry my electronics, lol. Anyone got gen1 electronics uber-cheap, lol?

I like how clean the install was. Rather than my first method (zip-ties and a piece of styrene), I just drilled and installed. I can even put the stock rear end on if I really desire. However, it did extend the chassis from a 98mm wheelbase to about a 100-102mm wheel base, so the Pan Car will be undergoing even more chopping :lol:

I took two pics, and then my camera died, so deal with my lack of photos:
http://i173.photobucket.com/albums/w74/RedSXmodder/P6170067.jpg
http://i173.photobucket.com/albums/w74/RedSXmodder/P6170068.jpg

Later,
RedSXmodder

[RedSXmodder]

Screw the gen1 elecs. It seems that hobby grade is the way to go, lol:
http://i173.photobucket.com/albums/w74/RedSXmodder/P6240073.jpg
http://i173.photobucket.com/albums/w74/RedSXmodder/P6240075.jpg
http://i173.photobucket.com/albums/w74/RedSXmodder/P6240077.jpg

Yes, I know, some pieces are missing....

Dynamite Tazer 12t ESC
Futaba R152JE reciever
Futaba 2PH AM transmitter
Hitec HS-55 servo

All of the components will probably be uncased, even though they fit fairly well. It'll lessen the weight, though. And, I got the chassis back down from 102mm to about 98mm!

Later,
RedSXmodder

[Donziikid]

http://www.dance-forums.com/images/smilies/applause.gif You are insane. http://www.dance-forums.com/images/smilies/applause.gif

Glad to see you got it back down to 98mm. Can't wait to see a video of it running! :)

[RedSXmodder]

How about the pics Kyle? Better than any I've shot in my xmodding career, lol...

I just popped the receiver out of the case and am working on mounting it down. Now, I just gotta dig up some wire for the batteries, lol...

Later,
RedSXmodder

[Donziikid]

I'll admit they're good, but if you want better ones, you know what to do. :lol:

[mini-z drift]

Is the Futaba receiver gonna fit in there? Now all you need a really low turn motor with a lipo of coarse or get a micro-t brushless.

Looks darn sweet, sweeter if you made a custom CF chassis, but that would be kinda overkill to make imo. Lovin how it looks, keep it up! :D

[RedSXmodder]

Dun Dun Dah!!!!







The beast runs, lol. Vids coming very soon:
http://i173.photobucket.com/albums/w74/RedSXmodder/P6260087.jpg
http://i173.photobucket.com/albums/w74/RedSXmodder/P6260088.jpg
http://i173.photobucket.com/albums/w74/RedSXmodder/P6260089.jpg
http://i173.photobucket.com/albums/w74/RedSXmodder/P6260090.jpg

Later,
RedSXmodder

[texan_idiot25]

OH ****!1!!!

Lol. Looks great, can't wait to see the thing go.

[fieldfairy2]

very nice. How much does it weigh now? pixy stick!!! yumm.(probably a straw but still could be a pixy stick) can't wait for the video.

[noturday]

that looks awesome dude, the MR-02 rear end conversion looks right at home on there, cant wait to see the videos of this beast :D

[RedSXmodder]

Its not much heavier than stock. By removing the stock gen1 rear end, I cut off a butt load of weight. Plus, the HOT motor keeps the car moving good and quick.

Thanks for the comments guys!

[mini-z drift]

I think I just got a bonah! Thats HAWT!

[RedSXmodder]

I think I just got a bonah! Thats HAWT!

:lol:

A bit weird, but kinda the reaction I was expecting from someone like you z drift, lol...

[nitemeer]

lol looks pretty nice :) can't wait to see how it goes

[meme405]

Its sweet, but for all that work your not going to take it all the way? Is that the end of the road for this project, or are you just waiting for awhile before you take it farther?

[RedSXmodder]

Have you ever seen the end of one of my projects? Exactly. Everything I build technically doesn't have an end point. Eventually I'll get bored with it and take it up a notch.

BTW, what do you mean all the way? If by all the way you mean make love to it, I don't plan on it...

[XMODification]

That's one sweet hybrid bro!:nod:

I like this idea alot - I might have to try it with a custom body sometime - anyhow, when is a vid coming up of it? :)

[mini-z drift]

Man, I gotta save some money up and do something like this !

[RedSXmodder]

Lol, here's the body on the chassis. Since the hacked pan car body is pretty much the only thing that'll fit over the top of these elecs (300C's to narrow), I'm stuck with a hacked pan car...

http://i173.photobucket.com/albums/w74/RedSXmodder/P6280091.jpg
http://i173.photobucket.com/albums/w74/RedSXmodder/P6280092.jpg
http://i173.photobucket.com/albums/w74/RedSXmodder/P6280095.jpg

Whos diggin the DPS sticker, even though I don't have a DPS...

[greekone]

Does it actually hang with Mini-z's?

[RedSXmodder]

Not really sure. It has the upgrades to compete, but I just lack the driving skills, lol...

Later,
RedSXmodder

[RedSXmodder]

I'll start with some pics. I'm working off my fathers laptop, so i can't resize the pics. thumbnails will have to do:

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So one of my back rooms has a very nice hard carpet on it, and after messing around a little on it, I realized that it could make a nice racing surface. Its not a huge room so my track wasn't giant at all. Plus, since I lacked a timing system, I taped my Ipod to my Futaba and used the stopwatch setup to throw some lap times down. The track setup I made would be considered easy to some, but for me, it looked to be about an intermediate track.

My car was running a setup like this:

36t Handwound Motor
Intellect 750s
Medium springs in front
Medium T-plate in rear
Diff is where I want it
4.5 degree tie rod
and a stock roll shock

The car handled, from my personal experience well. Actually far beyond my expectations. At first, I was running a 30t motor, but it lacked the torque for my 9t pinion that i like using, so I dropped in a 36t, and it really throws the car around. One thing I disliked about the drive setup as far as elecs go, was the batteries. They were great as far as punch goes, but it made everything kinda jumpy. Throttle wasn't as smooth as i would have liked.

Suspension wise, I think the setup was dialed. I could sweep into the corners well, and throttle out of the tight stuff. The diff was smooth (gotta remember to pick up some friction grease), but I feel it could have been smoother. I didn't really do any tuning besides a little tightening so that could be the problem.


I did a session of 10 laps for the timing. In my first timing session I put down a time of 1 minute and 15 seconds. I knew i could do better. So, after a bit of messing around with the car, I put down a better set at 1 minute flat. Even still, i was bumping walls and stopping to pull myself out of errors, so I don't think it accurately reflected the cars performance. After some more practice, I had the corners down and knew when to throttle around the corner, or when to take the inside or outside. I went to timing again. Didn't bump a single wall, nailed all the turns perfectly and pulled off an amazing (to me) 46 seconds.

As goofy as the pan car may look, i'm going to stick with it. Its nice and wide, and I like wide. The car is incredibly stable, and is capable of taking turns at fairly high speeds. But now since this would be an open class car, and seeing as its so wide, I'm gonna need some more powerful batteries. The Intellects I have work nicely, but how are the TO HV 900's?

I know this may not sound to impressive for the Z guys, but I was very proud of what my car could do. Just the Z rear end does so much to the feel of throttle and even the steer of the car.

Since I have a feeling I won't see to much RCP in the coming months, I've decided to start driving more on my carpet. Anyone know a good place for some quality foam tires?

Later,
RedSXmodder

[fieldfairy2]

looks nice man. You said a 37t motor in the specs and a 36t in the actually paragraphs. I might have missed it somewhere but is this awd or rwd? I think i might actually keep my track car.I was thinking of selling all my xmods but i might keep the track car to beat yours. lol. But really nice, i like ie, and did you win something with the ribbon?

[RedSXmodder]

It is RWD...and thanks, the motor is a 36t...

I took this to a modelers fair and got a blue ribbon, lol...

[fieldfairy2]

Nice. Sounds fast.

Congrats on the win. lol

[RedSXmodder]

WOOT! TRM XR-015MM V2 is complete, lol:

Updated the elecs, reomoved the Tazer's stock heat sink, removed the rx pins to save space. Direct soldered ESC and Servo. Everything works great. This car will hopefully see some track tim soon!

http://i173.photobucket.com/albums/w74/RedSXmodder/P8310069.jpg
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So the upgrades stand at:

MR-series Rear Pod
MR-series Kyosho Ver.II Ball Diff
MR-series roll shock (Medium)
MR-series SSG T-plate (Medium)
Medium Front Springs
Purple Aluminum front Knuckles
Intellect 750's
Tazer 12t ESC
Futaba 27MHz AM system
Hitec HS-55 servo
TRM Voodoo 33t
Bearings all around
ATOMIC Deep Dish Rims (+3 offset)
ATOMIC Tread 20 degree radials
PN Pan Car body (Paint Job by 3C graffix)


Later,
RedSXmodder

[amorton94]

wow thats AWESOME!

[HUMMER H4]

Wow,i saw this on xmodsinternational.com and id never thought id be able to leave a comment,so here it is man whoever painted tht is a good painter,also way to engiener.....

[Sweed]

That looks **** mean.
What's the two boards sitting up top?

Your front shocks are mis-matched, and the silver ones are actually smoother, btw.
Are any of my donated parts on here?

EDIT:
What rear pod are you using (link!)?
How did you modify the chassis for the rear pod (picture!)?
How's it handle at high speeds?

[texan_idiot25]

That looks **** mean.
What's the two boards sitting up top?



The ESC and RX, durrrrrr.

Stop being so **** nostalgic! :lol: Your blowing the minds off the youngin's

[Sweed]

Stop being so **** nostalgic! :lol: Your blowing the minds off the youngin's

You know you miss they days of gen1 xmodding.
The days when people actually built something cool, not just threw a bunch of parts together like everyone else. The days were history was made, with cool cars, fast cars, custom stuff, and flying fruit. :lol:

[texan_idiot25]

You know you miss they days of gen1 xmodding.
The days when people actually built something cool, not just threw a bunch of parts together like everyone else. The days were history was made, with cool cars, fast cars, custom stuff, and flying fruit. :lol:

Back when DMX was in the planning stages and didn't need a stupid amount of money to finish... And when we didn't take Red seriously! :lol: jk

btw, goto xmw and in the comp section you sweedish fool

[Sweed]

Back when DMX was in the planning stages and didn't need a stupid amount of money to finish... And when we didn't take Red seriously! :lol: jk

btw, goto xmw and in the comp section you sweedish fool

Lol. We didn't take anyone seriously!
So, did Mongo ever attempt his drive by fruiting?

Which section on XMW?

[color0]

Mongo's still plotting it, I talked with him a couple days ago. :lol:

Looks good Red, just get some rear tires for the rear wheels (Atomic makes 12mm meats for a purpose!) and you should be pretty set for your Frankenstein car. :)

[texan_idiot25]

OH dear lord, with Color0 now plotting against me.... this will start to get complicated. I can expect a CAD designed, CNC made, Fiberglass Mango gun now....

[RedSXmodder]

OH dear lord, with Color0 now plotting against me.... this will start to get complicated. I can expect a CAD designed, CNC made, Fiberglass Mango gun now....

:lol:

Thanks for the comments guys. Sweed, just look through the thread, you should find most of the pictures you need as far as mounting goes. And as far as handling...well, lets just say its got some of the Z DNA...

Later,
RedSXmodder

[Sweed]

Thanks for the comments guys. Sweed, just look through the thread, you should find most of the pictures you need as far as mounting goes. And as far as handling...well, lets just say its got some of the Z DNA...

How did you mount the damper to the top?
It's funny, I have all the parts to build that sitting upstairs...

Texan, I think I'll have to drop from the XMW build.

[xmodkidd33]

I need to change my pants.


Wow. Great quality of work, I can't wait to see some vids!

[RedSXmodder]

http://i173.photobucket.com/albums/w74/RedSXmodder/pan%20car/P9290101.jpg
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VDSII with the roof :lol:

As you can see, she sits very low now. The batteries have been dropped significantly, and the packs have been trimmed for body fitment reasons. Everything on the car is pretty much the same, aside from white dish rims and some nice and sticky 8° carpet radials (covering the whole rim this time, lol)

Have yet to try 'er on the track, because the batteries in the pic were in need of charging.

Later,
RedSXmodder

[amorton94]

looks like a kick but track car!

[wadethejuggalo]

really nice car I like it

[meme405]

So you posted a new updated...

Still havnt decided to take this farther, and design a custom Chassis, and get some GPM shock towers and swing arms on there? because it looks like your bending your A arms.

You know that they do help your suspension travel and same with the GPM shocks themselves...

JUST SPEND THAT EXTRA 50$ to make this thing CRAZY, FOR MY SAKE JUST DO IT....

[RedSXmodder]

JUST SPEND THAT EXTRA 50$ to make this thing CRAZY, FOR MY SAKE JUST DO IT....

Well, you donate the money I will. As of now, I see no problem whatsoever with the front suspension (aside from the missing screws in my knuckles). Its as smooth as I want it to be. GPM is pricey, and I don't really have the need for it.

As for the custom chassis....well...just wait a bit. :bigwink:

[biggie862005]

wow, that is sick dood! wanna make me one LOL?

[meme405]

Well, you donate the money I will. As of now, I see no problem whatsoever with the front suspension (aside from the missing screws in my knuckles). Its as smooth as I want it to be. GPM is pricey, and I don't really have the need for it.

As for the custom chassis....well...just wait a bit. :bigwink:

Fine, PM me your paypal addy and stuff and ill send you 50 bone...

Nahh just JK, i just had to pay 135$ for a limo cleaning cause i fudged one up on the weekend... So i can spend anymore right now... (need to buy this sweet shirt at Holt Renfrew....)

[RedSXmodder]

*Shrug* I know alot of the members on this site probably don't care to hear about half of this stuff, but I'm gonna say it anyway in the hope that there is a select few of you that might understand/take interest.

And before you guys ask, there aren't any pictures or a video to go with this post. So deal with hit. :D

Yesterday I dedicated the little free time that I have to get this car dialed, and not to mention put down some lap times. My setup was assembled, but since the last time I drove the car, I didn't bother re-tuning it. This time I had fresh tires, a new body, different roll shock (yellow) and the same track layout. That means it was time to get my ride re-adjusted. Here's what my car's setup looked like:

Carpet Radials 10° (Brand new and sticky!)
Medium (silver) springs (30wt shock oil)
Hard (yellow) Roll Shock Spring
Medium SSG T-Plate
98mm (duh) Pan Car setup
Intellect 750mah batts (slowly discharged, then peaked warm before race)
Team Redmade 33t FAT comm'd armature
Kyosho Ver. II Ball Differential (needs rebuild, lol)
8t Motor Pinion

I was very confident in my setup. The motor had been fully relubed, rebroken in with fresh carbon brushes, and was sporting my favorite hard (yellow) springs. The batteries were as fresh as their first charge, and were nice and warm (cells discharge better at a warm temperature). The radials were confortably stuck to their white ATM deep dish rims. The body was securely mounted, and I was set to run. A quick shot of Trinity Ball Bearing oil into the front knuckle bearings, not to mention the rear motor pod bearings, and I was in buissness.

I was running the same track setup I had been used to for the past month or so, so I had the turns memorized, and new how to enter each and every corner. Throttle ratio's were still to trickey for me to figure out in my previous runs. Often, I'd gun out of corners too hard for my MR-015 style batter packs, and slide the rear end out. Rolling never was a problem becuase of my uber-wide wheel base (+3's all around), however, with my worn down treads, the rear end always seemed to hop out of the turns, regardless of my diff/roll shock settings. I figure now that it is simply throttle adjustment, and lack of DPS.

So, all that aside, I set my car down. My current objective was to do 5 practice laps. I opened up the throttle, and the car jumped forward. The motor was more than powerful. I eased up and hit the first corner gracefully. The carpet radials kept the car planted every second of the turn. I went through all the turns similarly, barely stopping. I kept throttle at about 1/4 a majority of the 5 laps. Happy with the way the car performed, I decided to set down some lap times. When I do lap times, I don't typically use a fancy pantsy lap timing system, I just take my ipod, switch it to stopwatch mode, strap it to my Futaba 2PH transmitter, and use that. Its ghetto thats for sure, but its all I need at this level. Last month, I did 10 laps in a time of about 31 seconds. I averaged about 45-46. So, lets see if my car improved:

My first ten lap set wasn't anything spectacular. I was very heavy on the throttle, and in turn, my car was overworked and didn't take the corners smooth enough (when I say "heavy" on the throttle, I mean 100% out of corners. Needless to say, the tires although new, couldn't hold back the motor) I came into corners to fast, and even crashed twice. I knew for a fact my first set could be beaten easily. What was the time though? 42 seconds! Wow! That time was nearly 3 seconds off of my previous average, and it was even a cruddy run! I was impressed.

Now that I had throttle ratio and control sorted with my new setup, I started feeling more confident. I knew that I didn't have to lay on the throttle to set a decent time. In the next set, I hit the corners nice and easy. I flowed out of them with decent throttle, but opened it up on the straight away. I took each corner perfectly and didn't crash once in 10 laps! I finished the set with awesome expectations. I looked down at the ipod. the screen read 28 seconds flat! I was impressed. That score was 2 whole seconds under my previous record.

By now, my batts were fading (nearly 6-7 minutes had passed between practice, set 1, and set 2) so my time reflected that. The third set offered a time of about 33 seconds.

Satisfied, I set my tx down, pulled the Intellects out of the car, set them in the 8 hour charger. Put my car on the tuning stand, and called it a day. Overall, I was extremely impressed with what a few minor upgrades and tuning could to for the car. Tires, a new body, different roll shock, lower'd electronics all helped me drop my lap time down by 2 full seconds.

HFAY anytime soon? Maybe some beginner events at Ann Arbor (thats right Kyle!)

I know that almost 95% of the members here don't really care about all this. There are only a few here that actually care about seriously racing these cars. Those that do feel free to comment!

[fieldfairy2]

Nice. Every little bit counts. that's for sure. Where are the fat comm's coming from? i need some. lol. Really sweet. You should test out some new batteries(R1wurks) or something. I am really impressed. Is the 28seconds each lap or the whole 10 laps? i was confused on that part. I care. Except i don't have any where to race... So that is why i dropped(for now, i think i can get the parts from store not online) my secret(the secret you know) on my track car. At least you can race yours and have fun with it. That is what counts.

[Donziikid]

Very lengthy and exciting read, RedSX. I'm as amazed as you are to find that just a fresh set of meats kept you planted two seconds quicker around the track; even during a "not-so-great" run. ;)

Are you running carpet 10° radials all around or just on the rear? Also, what was your previous tire setup?

I have yet to make it out to Ann Arbor myself, lol. Maybe with you going it'd give me that extra "nudge" I need to get me over there. :p

[2wdpancar]

Have you considered getting the 64 pitch gears from PN Racing? They will make your diff and motor spin up much smoother. Acceleration/speed will increase with 5 minutes of work... I don't know how many times I've mentioned the 64p gear kit (lol) but it might be a nice add on to what your current setup is.

[RedSXmodder]

I can't afford anything right now blt! I've even pulled off my ball diff because it needs a rebuild, and can't even afford some nice diff grease, lol. I pulled out my M1 motor case and armature and used it for motor parts for a customer, so I'm running a bushing motor case right now, with a 40t spiral armature. Runs fine, but doesn't make the speed I liked with my 33t.

Plus, I think my Intellects are crappin out on me! They just don't have the punch that I'm used to. I'm thinking its time for some R1 wurks cells (Christmas present hahaha) and maybe even a decent battery charger.

Anyhow, here are some quick pics I snapped. Nothing special, just letting you guys see how she sits (this is how i've been running her, too):

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[c1v1c]

Awesome, I also have one of these shell coming my way.

[XMDrifter]

try the orion SHO 700MaH cells.
i'd love to have a franken-mod like that.
but honestly, i think that's a bit much don't you think?
and HFAY...isn't there requirements on the electronics and how much modification you can do?

[2wdpancar]

Xmoddrifter in case if you haven't heard ppl have had venting super-high output orions................. which is exactly why I sold my set. RED buy some tenergy cells, very smooth and last forever (true 1k mAh, really I got 45min runtime atleast with the 70t pn motor on mr02) and they are 1.06 a pop :D Those batteries are about 20.00 a set and I don't fell like they are necessary, punchy batteries are not totally necessary.

[XMDrifter]

Xmoddrifter in case if you haven't heard ppl have had venting super-high output orions................. which is exactly why I sold my set. RED buy some tenergy cells, very smooth and last forever (true 1k mAh, really I got 45min runtime atleast with the 70t pn motor on mr02) and they are 1.06 a pop :D Those batteries are about 20.00 a set and I don't fell like they are necessary, punchy batteries are not totally necessary.
hmmm never heard of them venting before.
i didn't look them up. :shrug:
oh well. do what blt says.

[x410mw]

Hmm recently i invested all of 16 dollars on 4 sets of the 900mah nimh's from atomicmods.. Definitly worth a dollar a piece they are great cells.. Smooth completly throughout there charge, and only drop off in accell/power output when they are extremly close to dying..

[deckerz]

this project hasen't had a post in 10 months.

pretty sure this is against the rules?

[GearHeadV8]

Hmm recently i invested all of 16 dollars on 4 sets of the 900mah nimh's from atomicmods.. Definitly worth a dollar a piece they are great cells.. Smooth completly throughout there charge, and only drop off in accell/power output when they are extremly close to dying..

Please read the rules and Do not bump old threads this one is from 2008.

[c1v1c]

Hmm recently i invested all of 16 dollars on 4 sets of the 900mah nimh's from atomicmods.. Definitly worth a dollar a piece they are great cells.. Smooth completly throughout there charge, and only drop off in accell/power output when they are extremly close to dying..

...and i was expecting a huge update from red...

[x410mw]

This is to motivate him to update it, thought ya knew that.. No i know the rules of all forums i just forgot i was reading and old post.. My memorys not that great these days..